20 Jun 05
Originally posted by PalynkaI don't think they will do what they want; however, like space travel
Something interesting regarding this thread:
http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4054975
has done with us. We will learn from the attempts new things that
we more than likely wouldn't have otherwise.
Kelly
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by KellyJayActually that's what they are saying. Their objective is not AI, but medical purposes regarding the functioning of the brain. It's still an area that I find particularly interesting and that can even lead to redefinitions of the idea of self.
I don't think they will do what they want; however, like space travel
has done with us. We will learn from the attempts new things that
we more than likely wouldn't have otherwise.
Kelly
20 Jun 05
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Originally posted by PalynkaWell you do not need a new computer design to come up with a
Actually that's what they are saying. Their objective is not AI, but medical purposes regarding the functioning of the brain. It's still an area that I find particularly interesting and that can even lead to redefinitions of the idea of self.
'redefinitions of the idea of self.' We may learn new ways to
for computer design, we may understand the brain a little better
both of those would be good things. I do think however the stated
goal is quite beyond man's ability.
Kelly
21 Jun 05
Originally posted by KellyJaywell its always better to aim high and then to fall back, then to aim low and get no where.
Well you do not need a new computer design to come up with a
'redefinitions of the idea of self.' We may learn new ways to
for computer design, we may understand the brain a little better
both of those would be good things. I do think however the stated
goal is quite beyond man's ability.
Kelly
21 Jun 05
Originally posted by elopawnOne thing I see, is the melding of human and computer.
well its always better to aim high and then to fall back, then to aim low and get no where.
Already there are chess tournies where anything goes, that is you
can have all the computer you want and all the humans you want
in a game. This first tourny was won by a duo human with a trio comp.
The humans were not even masters (2200), one had a 1600 rating
and the other less than 1400! They beat out GM's teamed up with
a bunch of very highly touted computers, multi-cpu and all that.
So I see it happening that we will have more and more human-comp
integration which will trump the singularity issue. When the singularity
arrives it will be the best of both worlds, human common sense
with unheardof computational capabilities. I think Kurt didn't take
that into consideration in the Age of Spiritual Machines.
You know, already, for some reason, the IQ of the human race
is increasing, don't know if that means we are actually getting
smarter but we are, as a race, doing better on IQ tests regardless
of culture. I think as we get more and more computational space
in smaller and smaller physical space it will be distributed among
a large number of people and there will be still the haves and the
have nots 100 years from now but it may well be unrecognisable
if we were to jump into a time machine and have a peek.
For instance, suppose as they say may happen, we get injectable
computation, virus sized computers that can make a connection
to synapses in the brain and further these virus sized comps can
communicate among themselves, this can make a vast improvement
in the network that is the human brain, making us a whole lot smarter
and turning those who have them into something more than human.
These virus sized comps may have immune system counterparts
that make up a second line of defense against disease, making
Aids and Ebola and autoimmune diseases a thing of the past.
I see computers headed in that direction maybe 40-50 years from
now. We will be fully integrated, not separated from the coming
computer revolution. Thats what I think anyway.
21 Jun 05
Originally posted by sonhouseHumans using computers is like a human driving a car, it isn't
One thing I see, is the melding of human and computer.
Already there are chess tournies where anything goes, that is you
can have all the computer you want and all the humans you want
in a game. This first tourny was won by a duo human with a trio comp.
The humans were not even masters (2200), one had a 1600 rating
and the other less than 1400! They b ...[text shortened]... fully integrated, not separated from the coming
computer revolution. Thats what I think anyway.
making humans faster when they run, only when they sit. The
computer is simply a tool.
Kelly
22 Jun 05
Originally posted by KellyJayBut nobody is talking about creating humans.
Humans using computers is like a human driving a car, it isn't
making humans faster when they run, only when they sit. The
computer is simply a tool.
Kelly
By your analogy, there are already robots capable of moving without any human intervention, using cameras to assess the terrain.
24 Jun 05
Originally posted by zeeblebotWell, understand how you can hit it? Ypou can hit it because you are moving your arm forward to meet the ball which bounces of the strings of your tennis raquet and thus energy is transferred and the ball heads back the way it came...
doesn't mean i understand how i can hit it ...
you can't feel the Way if you are trying to understand yourself feeling it ...
25 Jun 05
Originally posted by phgaoSee, all of this talk is the before stuff. After the *real* computer
Well, understand how you can hit it? Ypou can hit it because you are moving your arm forward to meet the ball which bounces of the strings of your tennis raquet and thus energy is transferred and the ball heads back the way it came...
revolution, we will all be one hell of a lot smarter, communicate
across the world to anyone in an instant, never be lost, always
have a version of the internet available that makes ours look
like a stack of 3X5 cards and in an analogy that is starting right now,
spare CPU horsepower is used to process SETI search data on
thousands of comps in the background, we will be able to tune in
to the latest findings of the supernet. I don't want to sound like
a hippy at a lovefest but it is one possible future, babies wired
to a supernet and virus sized comps hooked one on one to our
own neurons, adding to the size of our personal net. A lot of people
would puke at the idea of such networks inside our heads but
it is inevitable if we don't drown in our own filth first.
25 Jun 05
Originally posted by sonhousewhoa, but yeah thats what I sort of think as well, as humans WILL have to utilise computers and AI more and more as time passes.
See, all of this talk is the before stuff. After the *real* computer
revolution, we will all be one hell of a lot smarter, communicate
across the world to anyone in an instant, never be lost, always
have a version of the internet available that makes ours look
like a stack of 3X5 cards and in an analogy that is starting right now,
spare CPU horsepower ...[text shortened]... such networks inside our heads but
it is inevitable if we don't drown in our own filth first.
25 Jun 05
Originally posted by phgaothat's way too simplified ... maybe that's where jaykelly is coming from ...
Well, understand how you can hit it? Ypou can hit it because you are moving your arm forward to meet the ball which bounces of the strings of your tennis raquet and thus energy is transferred and the ball heads back the way it came...
i'm talking biomechanics and neuromechanics ...
and ability to recreate it artificially ....
05 Jul 05
http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/age_old_questions_continue_to_entice_scientists;_ylt=AjdCs3DNMo37zQBTdMYyqpas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
"Or, as Science magazine puts it, "What is the biological basis of consciousness?"
This question is an oldie, dating at least to the beginnings of humankind. It underwent its last big renovation in the 17th century, when the French philosopher Rene Descartes declared that the mind and the body lived in different dimensional spaces and so, like east and west, would never meet.
...
The full list of 125 questions, with essays devoted to the top 25, is at http://www.sciencemag.org/sciext/125th
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