12 May 05
Originally posted by PalynkaYou put in 1 + 1 into a computer it spits out 2, does it know
Why not?
The perfect way to "fool" is for it to be exactly like the thing it is pretending to be. If you improve on the "fooling" ability, you'll have something closer and closer to the real thing.
its 2, or is it simply a predetermined output given before hand?
Kelly
12 May 05
Originally posted by KellyJayA computer is a very very basic form of A.I., if any.
You put in 1 + 1 into a computer it spits out 2, does it know
its 2, or is it simply a predetermined output given before hand?
Kelly
Mathematical operations are basically a bad example, anyway. Mathematics is all about conventions and predetermined definitions. The way you identify 2 with the real world is through counting which is something even a basic computer can do well.
12 May 05
Originally posted by PalynkaI understand what a computer does; I also know why it does it.
A computer is a very very basic form of A.I., if any.
Mathematical operations are basically a bad example, anyway. Mathematics is all about conventions and predetermined definitions. The way you identify 2 with the real world is through counting which is something even a basic computer can do well.
My question isn't that I can put 1 + 1 in and get 2 out, does the
computer know the answer? The entire computer is nothing
but a piece of equipment that moves voltages around the paths
of it's circuitry in the manner we tell it to. It does not know anything,
there isn't any intelligence there, any more than water running off
a mountain has intelligence.
Kelly
12 May 05
Originally posted by KellyJayThe way the brain works is also through electrical currents.
I understand what a computer does; I also know why it does it.
My question isn't that I can put 1 + 1 in and get 2 out, does the
computer know the answer? The entire computer is nothing
but a piece of equipment that moves voltages around the paths
of it's circuitry in the manner we tell it to. It does not know anything,
there isn't any intelligence there, any more than water running off
a mountain has intelligence.
Kelly
If you agree that there's nothing metaphysical about the brain (purely biological) then I don't see why it can't be replicable in the future.
If you believe there is something metaphysical (soul, etc) then I understand your point of view, but disagree with it.
12 May 05
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat does it mean to "know" something? What is "intelligence" such that humans have it and computers cannot get it?
I understand what a computer does; I also know why it does it.
My question isn't that I can put 1 + 1 in and get 2 out, does the
computer know the answer? The entire computer is nothing
but a piece of equipment that moves voltages around the paths
of it's circuitry in the manner we tell it to. It does not know anything,
there isn't any intelligence there, any more than water running off
a mountain has intelligence.
Kelly
12 May 05
Originally posted by KellyJay
It is important to know what you mean by smarter!
Does a computer know 1 + 1 = 2?
It may give the result, but does it know it? For the computer to
be smarter, what are you asking? A computer or a robot is simply
a matter of cause and effect, depending on the programming
and nothing else.
Kelly
how does KellyJay "know"?
13 May 05
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungDoes a computer know what 1 + 1 is? Does it now what a single letter
What does it mean to "know" something? What is "intelligence" such that humans have it and computers cannot get it?
means or a word? Is there understanding that at all? It boils down
to intelligence or knowledge, a computer does not have any, it has
programmed responses, period. Voltages, 0 and 1, milli-volts, and
and so on, there isn't understanding there at all. It simply does what
we tell it, produces an output coded to look like something we tell it,
nothing more.
Kelly
13 May 05
Originally posted by PalynkaOkay, why do you disagree with the metaphysical as you put it?
The way the brain works is also through electrical currents.
If you agree that there's nothing metaphysical about the brain (purely biological) then I don't see why it can't be replicable in the future.
If you believe there is something metaphysical (soul, etc) then I understand your point of view, but disagree with it.
You believe chemical reactions, electric currents within living systems
is all that is required for understanding, thought, and reason; how do
you know? You know there isn't such a thing as a soul or spirit, all
that there is to a person is simply the chemical makeup of their body
and nothing more?
Kelly
13 May 05
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Originally posted by KellyJay
Okay, why do you disagree with the metaphysical as you put it?
Because I haven't seen any signs of it existing.
You believe chemical reactions, electric currents within living systems
is all that is required for understanding, thought, and reason; how do
you know?
You are simplifying. I believe there is nothing in the brain that can't be replicated. (although is dependant on the state of technology, obviously)
I don't know, but there is no evidence that it can't.
You know there isn't such a thing as a soul or spirit, all
that there is to a person is simply the chemical makeup of their body
and nothing more?
Why should I believe there is a soul or a spirit? There is no evidence of that.
I believe the body to be purely biological and nothing more.
13 May 05
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Originally posted by Palynka[/b]What is it you are looking for, or what is a “sign of the metaphysical”
Originally posted by KellyJay
[b]Okay, why do you disagree with the metaphysical as you put it?
Because I haven't seen any signs of it existing.
You believe chemical reactions, electric currents within living systems
is ...[text shortened]... hat.
I believe the body to be purely biological and nothing more.
It seems you have an idea what you should be able to see?
I’m telling you the truth in very basic terms, simplifying or no, a
computer is nothing but a great adding machine, moving voltages
around various computer components doing it in such a way that is
predicable and precise, if it were not, it would be useless to us.
The same question I have for your view on the metaphysical, I have
for your View of soul and spirit; what is it you believe you’d need to
see?
Kelly
13 May 05
Originally posted by KellyJayThe burden of proof does not fall unto me. I see nothing that cannot be replicable, therefore I see nothing metaphysical. If you think there is something not replicable, it is you who has to show it to me.
What is it you are looking for, or what is a “sign of the metaphysical”
It seems you have an idea what you should be able to see?
I’m telling you the truth in very basic terms, simplifying or no, a
computer is nothing but a great adding machine, moving voltages
around various computer components doing it in such a way that is
predicable and preci ...[text shortened]... ave
for your View of soul and spirit; what is it you believe you’d need to
see?
Kelly
[/b]
I see only a biological machine, if you will.
13 May 05
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Originally posted by elopawnMy God! Man where have you been?
What are people's thoughts on AI?
Will we reach a singularity?
Will there ever be a machine/robot that has the ability to learn from experience, can reason, understand natural language, show emotions and generally act humanlike?
...[text shortened]... ed life expectancy?
Any comments, data, thoughts most welcome.
Arificial Intelligence rules. It's called government!
We reached a singularity of a sorts when we thought up the grand notion that eating each other is bad. Now we just have to work on the war and slavery thing.
I think that Angelina Jolie (sp?) can learn and show emotion. If she can learn that much, surely other inanimate lumps can follow.
Seriously. I think that "enhancement through miniature data link" holds much more exciting possibilities than AI. Can you imagine the power that being a numberzero lawyer and being able to link to Google on demand can do for our race?
14 May 05
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Originally posted by PalynkaOkay, you only see what is in front of you, the biological machine.
The burden of proof does not fall unto me. I see nothing that cannot be replicable, therefore I see nothing metaphysical. If you think there is something not replicable, it is you who has to show it to me.
I see only a biological machine, if you will.
Do you believe that a computer output, is on par with human
understanding at any level, because you don't see the difference
between a human understanding 1 + 1 = 2 and a computer spitting
out 2 to answer 1 + 1? This is a question to see how you view the
difference between a man made computer and a person’s
understanding.
I'm not trying to trick you; I'm trying to understand your view.
Just so I know, if I have a bag with 3 rocks in it, and I add 2 more
rocks to it...does the bag know it has 5 rocks in it now?
Kelly