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Originally posted by elopawn
AI programs DO NOT pass the Turing test all the time. Remember the person interviewing has to be SANE! Try talking to ALICE or other chatbots and you will see that they are not human and thus can not pass the TT.
They do when you compare them to a stupid human. The Turing Test does not assign a minimum IQ level to the interaction.

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Originally posted by ivangrice
They do when you compare them to a stupid human. The Turing Test does not assign a minimum IQ level to the interaction.
That just defeats the purpose! See>>

http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0373.html?printable=1

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Oh. Yes, robots will pass the Turing Test with greater and greater capability.
As you see robots do this, the only thing you will be seeing is the
robot creators being able to fool you into thinking the robot is much
more than it really is.
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Originally posted by elopawn
Thats correct. Also what i mean by " humans in the future be half robot/ half human" is that through us wanting to live longer will will have various chips/processors implanted in our bodies, eg in the heart.
Furthermore, when AI development becomes more complex and "singularity" has been achieved, A.I. may become "smarter than humans", although this ...[text shortened]... ns' etc in themselves to increase their knowledge prowess.

Anyone else with any comments?
How are you going to measure smarter?
You can say a car is faster than a person, but a computer being
smarter? It may out play you in chess, it may do math in such
great detail without error, but smarter? Understanding, being
able to be aware, is different than simply doing tasks because
it is programmed to do so. That is almost like saying a catapult
makes a better warrior because it can throw a heavy rock much
father than a person, it just isn’t so.

There has been a lot of fantasies about computers and AI, but
only in our dreams does a computer become self aware. The
dreams it can happen are simply science fiction, a fantasy about
the computer and what it can become.

Sort of goes along the evolutionary day dream too in my opinion.
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Originally posted by KellyJay
How are you going to measure smarter?
You can say a car is faster than a person, but a computer being
smarter? It may out play you in chess, it may do math in such
great detail without error, but smarter? Understanding, being
able to ...[text shortened]... goes along the evolutionary day dream too in my opinion.
Kelly
what you say is completly different, smarter as in they are smarter than humans atm are.

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Originally posted by KellyJay
As you see robots do this, the only thing you will be seeing is the
robot creators being able to fool you into thinking the robot is much
more than it really is.
Kelly
Isn't that the point?

The better they can fool you, the closer they are to the real thing.

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Originally posted by elopawn
What are people's thoughts on AI?
I think the Sixers are home watching the play-offs and there was nothing AI could do about it. Sure he's a great point guard, but he needs a supporting cast.

Oh, artificial intelligence... Who cares?

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Originally posted by phgao
what you say is completly different, smarter as in they are smarter than humans atm are.
It is important to know what you mean by smarter!

Does a computer know 1 + 1 = 2?
It may give the result, but does it know it? For the computer to
be smarter, what are you asking? A computer or a robot is simply
a matter of cause and effect, depending on the programming
and nothing else.

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Originally posted by Palynka
Isn't that the point?

The better they can fool you, the closer they are to the real thing.
No, not even close to being true.
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Originally posted by CliffLandin
I think the Sixers are home watching the play-offs and there was nothing AI could do about it. Sure he's a great point guard, but he needs a supporting cast.

Oh, artificial intelligence... Who cares?
It is an evolutionary question, so a few would care.

I quit carrying about NBA years ago, I'm now struggling trying to care
about MLB. 🙁

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Originally posted by KellyJay
It is an evolutionary question, so a few would care.

I quit carrying about NBA years ago, I'm now struggling trying to care
about MLB. 🙁

Kelly
It's too early to worry about MLB, you have to wait until after the break.

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Just to put a different spin on things, if a computer did achieve singularity how would it evolve and interact? I'm going to throw down what one of sci-fi's greater minds (Harlan Ellison) wrote in the short story 'I have no mouth, and i must scream' (quite a dark tale, i'm going to link it, so to the overly sensitive, 'ye has been warned'😉, depicting the definite worst case scenario.

'We had given AM sentience. Inadvertently, of course, but sentience nonetheless. But it had been trapped. AM wasn't God, he was a machine. We had created him to think, but there was nothing it could do with that creativity. In rage, in frenzy, the machine had killed the human race, almost all of us, and still it was trapped. AM could not wander, AM could not wonder, AM could not belong. He could merely be. And so, with the innate loathing that all machines had always held for the weak, soft creatures who had built them, he had sought revenge.'

Here's a link for those who'd like to read the whole story
http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/ellison/ellison1.html

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Originally posted by Spacemonkey7
Just to put a different spin on things, if a computer did achieve singularity how would it evolve and interact? I'm going to throw down what one of sci-fi's greater minds (Harlan Ellison) wrote in the short story 'I have no mouth, and i must scream' (quite a dark tale, i'm going to link it, so to the overly sensitive, 'ye has been warned'😉, depic ...[text shortened]... the whole story
http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/ellison/ellison1.html
wow...

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Originally posted by KellyJay
No, not even close to being true.
Kelly
Why not?

The perfect way to "fool" is for it to be exactly like the thing it is pretending to be. If you improve on the "fooling" ability, you'll have something closer and closer to the real thing.

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why do we not see ai's posting here on rhp ... a perfect testing ground?!

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