A Republican Comes Out as Gay TransWoman of Color

@earl-of-trumps said
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Suzieanne, can you *prove* you're a woman. Please define 'woman'.

Since this is your thread, maybe you should define it. None of the other right wingers seem capable.

@suzianne said
I am a woman because in my head I am a woman.

I just so happened to be lucky to be born in the right body.

Some are not so lucky, but you simply don't give a damn. They make you uncomfortable, and so how dare they make you uncomfortable.

You think mistakes get made when people are born with what body they end up with?

@jimmac said
I do not believe that "anyone" has the right to "demand" anything of anyone else. I do believe that society has an obligation to help people, for all sort of common sense reasons. But, the trans movement is not simply seeking acceptance of "their" "self", and they are not simply "demanding" that we accept their life choice, they are demanding that "we" embrace it as a way of l ...[text shortened]... oning "your" cause, but do not insist that "we" must embrace it. That is where one crosses the line.

No, they are not demanding anything of you except that you honor their choice.

Is that really too much?

@earl-of-trumps said
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Suzieanne, can you *prove* you're a woman. Please define 'woman'.

I do not need to provide "proof".

My body happens to match the self I know myself as.

That's my whole point.

You asking others, whose body doesn't match the self they know themselves to be, for their proof is preposterous and insulting, as if they don't know themselves.

@kellyjay said
You think mistakes get made when people are born with what body they end up with?

People are not born perfect. We know of many medical abnormalities. You only deride this example because it involves gender, which in your mind equates to sex, and so you consider them "sinful". Step out of the dark ages.

@suzianne said
No, they are not demanding anything of you except that you honor their choice.

Is that really too much?

Well, ok, seems simple, though I am not sure I should "honor" their choice, I get that any problem that one has, should not be reflected upon them. i.e any problem I may have with them should be my problem, not theirs, BUT, that is "not" all they are wanting, is it, not even close to what they "are" demanding. And even in saying this I do understand that the ones making all the noise may well be a minority of them. I do know some are pi**ed at the movement.
You Know what they are demanding, yea, I am a girl today so give me the girls scholarships, yea, and by the way I am going for gold in the woman's 100mtr sprint cause as a guy, I couldn't cut it. You see " honor " has little to do with that, has it.
But here is the rub, good on those trans making big buck out of the game, its the clowns that enable them that need a brain realignment. Or maybe just a brain in the 1st place.

@kellyjay said
You think mistakes get made when people are born with what body they end up with?

Do you think cellular mitosis, meiosis and DNA transcription are always without error?

@jimmac said
Well, ok, seems simple, though I am not sure I should "honor" their choice, I get that any problem that one has, should not be reflected upon them. i.e any problem I may have with them should be my problem, not theirs, BUT, that is "not" all they are wanting, is it, not even close to what they "are" demanding. And even in saying this I do understand that the ones making all th ...[text shortened]... s the clowns that enable them that need a brain realignment. Or maybe just a brain in the 1st place.

It's a very, very long way to go for simple material gain, but not quite so far to go for simple peace of mind and security in one's own body.

So why does the right never give these people the benefit of the doubt? Why must they always, always assume some nefarious motive?

This is classic fear of the "other". They don't understand people not like them, and so they demonize them. The answer is the same as always: education.

@suzianne said
It's a very, very long way to go for simple material gain, but not quite so far to go for simple peace of mind and security in one's own body.

So why does the right never give these people the benefit of the doubt? Why must they always, always assume some nefarious motive?

This is classic fear of the "other". They don't understand people not like them, and so they demonize them. The answer is the same as always: education.

"It's a very, very long way to go for simple material gain, but not quite so far to go for simple peace of mind and security in one's own body."
Yes, I agree with this, the problem is allowing those that do go the long, long, way for material gain to actually get that material gain, you know, the ones reserved for Women. Peace of mind and love for self is paramount.
" So why does the right never give these people the benefit of the doubt?"
I cannot say nor do I assume "never" is appropriate. And the funny thing is that not agreeing with their doctrine makes you " right"?? Not sure that is entirely fair.
" Why must they always, always assume some nefarious motive?"
Not always, and the rational is self explanatory. Woman's Medals, scholarships, etc.
"his is classic fear of the "other". They don't understand people not like them, and so they demonize them. The answer is the same as always: education."
Yes often fear of "other" but more often than not a simple hatred for what they perceive as a perversion of what they believe is right. And education, maybe but having indoctrination classes ( i.e, drag queen story time.) is NOT the answer.

@suzianne said
People are not born perfect. We know of many medical abnormalities. You only deride this example because it involves gender, which in your mind equates to sex, and so you consider them "sinful". Step out of the dark ages.

People are not born perfect, with medical abnormalities, and you think that means that they can be born into the wrong body? Exactly how does that work, genetics would play a part in medical abnormalities these are material world pieces of our makeup that the genetic code directs all of the formations within our bodies. You are now talking about something else completely, that which is us, us apart from our bodies.

A biological male is just that, you can use the word gender to describe what someone wants to be, feels like they are, or however you want to describe them as you make that up as you go, but they are biologically who they are regardless of their views or anyone else'.

@suzianne said
It's a very, very long way to go for simple material gain, but not quite so far to go for simple peace of mind and security in one's own body.

So why does the right never give these people the benefit of the doubt? Why must they always, always assume some nefarious motive?

This is classic fear of the "other". They don't understand people not like them, and so they demonize them. The answer is the same as always: education.

Why do you pigeonhole "the right" when you look at this topic? The demonization of "the right" seems very consistent here as you assume nefarious motives. This topic has to do with the biological makeup of men and women and choices, it isn't a left or right issue since there are people on both sides of the political spectrum on this debate.

@kellyjay said
Why do you pigeonhole "the right" when you look at this topic? The demonization of "the right" seems very consistent here as you assume nefarious motives. This topic has to do with the biological makeup of men and women and choices, it isn't a left or right issue since there are people on both sides of the political spectrum on this debate.

"Why do you pigeonhole "the right" when you look at this topic"
experience

"The demonization of "the right" seems very consistent here as you assume nefarious motives"
you ban books and you persecute people. Do you think the people you identify with are on the right side of history?

"it isn't a left or right issue since there are people on both sides of the political spectrum on this debate."
There are some occasional republican trans or gay unicorns. The vast majority are on the social left
"This topic has to do with the biological makeup of men and women"
nope. Being trans has nothing to do with the biological definition of being a man or a woman. Someone identifying as a woman says "i view myself as a woman i feel comfortable as a woman, it would be nice if society respected my view and if some bigots can't do that at least abstain from beating me to death if i walk alone at night"

@zahlanzi said
it would be nice if society respected my view and if some bigots can't do that at least abstain from beating me to death if i walk alone at night"

zahlooney bamboozle, do you think there someone arguing they should be able to beat people to death at night? No, seriously, do you think?

@zahlanzi said
"Why do you pigeonhole "the right" when you look at this topic"
experience

"The demonization of "the right" seems very consistent here as you assume nefarious motives"
you ban books and you persecute people. Do you think the people you identify with are on the right side of history?

"it isn't a left or right issue since there are people on both sides of the politic ...[text shortened]... and if some bigots can't do that at least abstain from beating me to death if i walk alone at night"

I have never banned a book. Those that do ban books do it because of several different reasons and those who do are left leaning and right leaning. Persecution also is done by left and right leaning people, no political side has the upper hand in virtue or morality.

Humanity attacks each other for every reason under the sun, we justify it by accusing others of being less than with causes we feel justifies our distain.

The world today it seems to me is getting to the point simply holding a different position can be considered hate, if we don’t affirm others we don’t love them. This will not end well if that doesn’t change, there isn’t much grace for opposing views!

@kellyjay said
I have never banned a book. Those that do ban books do it because of several different reasons and those who do are left leaning and right leaning. Persecution also is done by left and right leaning people, no political side has the upper hand in virtue or morality.

Humanity attacks each other for every reason under the sun, we justify it by accusing others of being less ...[text shortened]... love them. This will not end well if that doesn’t change, there isn’t much grace for opposing views!

"I have never banned a book. "
Do you vote for people that do? Then banning books is something you at best don't care about and at worst condone


"Those that do ban books do it because of several different reasons and those who do are left leaning and right leaning"
People who ban books are overwhelmingly on the right and the few on the left that toy with the activity are banning very different kinds of books. Not the "two male penguins are raising a little penguin" kind but the "how to make a bomb and blow up a church" kind


"Persecution also is done by left and right leaning people, no political side has the upper hand in virtue or morality."
Yeh, compare forcing a 12 year old girl to carry her rapist's child to term or allowing children to work the night shift (or any shift) in a factory with whatever persecution you think is done by the left (i don't know, making you wait a while before buying a death stick that can spray bullets into crowds?)

in fact, i would call you up on that.You claim no side has the upper moral hand. Let us know the worst thing the democrats tried to do, that you think should be put next to "i don't give fuk this 12 year old has been raped, she needs to stop being a whiny baby, suk it up and carry her rapist's child to term".