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@mott-the-hoople saidWell, yeah. They should never have let any Englanders in.
still waiting for someone to defend allowing people from all over the world to freely walk into our country
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19 Apr 21
@sh76 saidTo be fair... your average plebeian doesn't even know that there is a difference between Bayesian and frequentist, let alone what it is. So while I wouldn't trust the government over the public {i]per se[/i], I certainly wouldn't trust the public over the government, either.
The utter contempt the authorities seem to have for the risk assessment and decision making abilities of the plebs is mind-blowing.
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@no1marauder saidUp to a point, Lord Cropper.
a public health agency making science based decisions
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@no1marauder saidWhat is the risk of dying of Corona when you can't get the shot because J&J has been banned and you don't qualify for Astra-Zeneca? You keep pretending it is zero, but you know it is not.
What is the risk of getting the severe blood clotting? You keep pretending you know, but you don't.
19 Apr 21
@shallow-blue saidAstra-Zeneca is not approved for use in the US.
What is the risk of dying of Corona when you can't get the shot because J&J has been banned and you don't qualify for Astra-Zeneca? You keep pretending it is zero, but you know it is not.
All adults now "qualifies" for one of the authorized vaccines in the US. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/adults-now-eligible-covid-19-vaccines/story?id=77163212
Given that the US daily vaccination rate has increased significantly since the "pause" of J & J was announced, it does not seem that getting one of the other vaccines instead is much of a problem.
@shallow-blue saidWhich do you think is a greater over-all risk to health? The J&J (or AZ) vaccine or a bacon cheeseburger with a milkshake chaser on a daily basis?
To be fair... your average plebeian doesn't even know that there is a difference between Bayesian and frequentist, let alone what it is. So while I wouldn't trust the government over the public {i]per se[/i], I certainly wouldn't trust the public over the government, either.
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@athousandyoung saidIronically, the general feeling among the experts I've read and spoken to is that one Pfizer dose is roughly as effective as one J&J dose and there are many people who would give you a litany of reasons that you may even want to skip the second Pfizer dose. I can list them in another post.
I just got my first Pfizer vaccine and the ppl there were wishing for JnJ bcc it’s only one shot instead of two
But it was tested as a two-dose regimen and was given the EUA as a two-dose, which is the main reason it's being administered as such.
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For the record (and obviously speak to your doctor), but here are some of the reasons I've heard to skip the second dose:
1. (the obvious one) The first dose is very effective on its own, so why bother?
2. For most people, the second dose triggers the worst side effects. I had a 24-hour fever with chills and headache after my second dose.
3. They might learn later that you need a booster after 6-12 months. Delaying the second shot for a a few months could delay when you need the booster.
4. (I don't fully understand this one, but it comes via the head of the Biology department at a major university) The delivery mechanism that Pfizer uses may only work a handful of times in your lifetime. After that, the body may learn to tear it apart before it reaches the cellular level. As such, getting two doses may "waste" one of your 3 or 4 uses of the Pfizer delivery mechanism.
There are counterarguments, of course. And personally, I got 2 doses. But it's not exactly cut-and-dried that the 2 dose regimen is the only correct strategy.
20 Apr 21
@sh76 saidI had some fatigue after the first dose and slept a lot.
For the record (and obviously speak to your doctor), but here are some of the reasons I've heard to skip the second dose:
1. (the obvious one) The first dose is very effective on its own, so why bother?
2. For most people, the second dose triggers the worst side effects. I had a 24-hour fever with chills and headache after my second dose.
3. They might learn later that ...[text shortened]... ot 2 doses. But it's not exactly cut-and-dried that the 2 dose regimen is the only correct strategy.
I took the second dose yesterday and feel crappy today i.e. cough, nausea, fever.
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@sh76 saidA cigarette or a pound of bananas? Living in a city or being kicked by a cow? Being born out of wedlock or having a surname starting in "Z"?
Which do you think is a greater over-all risk to health? The J&J (or AZ) vaccine or a bacon cheeseburger with a milkshake chaser on a daily basis?
Yes, let's compare more irrelevant incomparables.
21 Apr 21
@no1marauder saidFeel better,
I had some fatigue after the first dose and slept a lot.
I took the second dose yesterday and feel crappy today i.e. cough, nausea, fever.
If it's not gone by now, extra strength Tylenol worked for me.
21 Apr 21
@no1marauder saidSymptoms?
I had some fatigue after the first dose and slept a lot.
I took the second dose yesterday and feel crappy today i.e. cough, nausea, fever.