26 Aug 21
@rajk999 saidCorrect.
The Taliban would have stood by and watch while the US took all those people out? Yuh tink ? It would have been a full scale war. So he just got the army out and a few other personnel.
And Trump left Biden a "gift" (aka sabotage) before he left office by reducing the US military head count to 2500.
Those are good numbers with which to put the Taliban in their place.
- Joined
- 05 Nov 06
- Moves
- 147484
@rajk999 saidyou use a made up scenario to make a point?
The Taliban would have stood by and watch while the US took all those people out? Yuh tink ? It would have been a full scale war. So he just got the army out and a few other personnel.
Trump was not having that problem with them, they knew he meant business.
Because of biden, the most powerful country on earth has been reduced to ASKING PERMISSION.
If you can gather up any facts I would like to hear them.
I bet if YOU were one of those Americans stranded, soon to be abandoned over there you would have different thoughts other than callous excuses.
26 Aug 21
@mott-the-hoople saidAs already pointed out, 2020 was the most violent year of the war and the most militarily successful for the Taliban. The idea that the Taliban respected Trump's "manliness" that you right wingers think he had is ridiculous.
you use a made up scenario to make a point?
Trump was not having that problem with them, they knew he meant business.
Because of biden, the most powerful country on earth has been reduced to ASKING PERMISSION.
If you can gather up any facts I would like to hear them.
I bet if YOU were one of those Americans stranded, soon to be abandoned over there you would have different thoughts other than callous excuses.
No Americans are going to be "abandoned" though right wingers seem to be praying that some will be killed or taken captive.
26 Aug 21
@rajk999 saidIf you think back to 2001 the US basically did that. The wheels started to come off with the invasion of Iraq, which diverted resources away from stabilizing Afghanistan and gave the Taliban enough support for their resurgence.
Well Im a little less draconian. In the case of the Taliban which is an extremist organization pushing Sharia Islamic law, they should be wiped out, and this gives the Afghan govt a fighting chance to set up and survive, then the US could have departed as heroes.
@deepthought said"The Soviet War in Afghanistan, 1979 - 1989
If you think back to 2001 the US basically did that. The wheels started to come off with the invasion of Iraq, which diverted resources away from stabilizing Afghanistan and gave the Taliban enough support for their resurgence.
ALAN TAYLOR AUGUST 4, 2014
Nearly twenty-five years ago, the Soviet Union pulled its last troops out of Afghanistan, ending more than nine years of direct involvement and occupation. The USSR entered neighboring Afghanistan in 1979, attempting to shore up the newly-established pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. In short order, nearly 100,000 Soviet soldiers took control of major cities and highways. Rebellion was swift and broad, and the Soviets dealt harshly with the Mujahideen rebels and those who supported them, leveling entire villages to deny safe havens to their enemy. Foreign support propped up the diverse group of rebels, pouring in from Iran, Pakistan, China, and the United States. In the brutal nine-year conflict, an estimated one million civilians were killed, as well as 90,000 Mujahideen fighters, 18,000 Afghan troops, and 14,500 Soviet soldiers. Civil war raged after the withdrawal, setting the stage for the Taliban's takeover of the country in 1996. As NATO troops move toward their final withdrawal this year, Afghans worry about what will come next, and Russian involvement in neighboring Ukraine's rebellion has the world's attention, it is worth looking back at the Soviet-Afghan conflict that ended a quarter-century ago. Today's entry is part of the ongoing series here on Afghanistan" (The Atlantic).
I'm just going back 25 years further from what you are pointing out here. They've been at war for some time in Afghanistan. This whole pull-out is an exact copy of when we pulled-out of Vietnam. We should have never been in either war. Personally, I'm glad we are finally out.
@mghrn55 saidThe vetting in most cases will have to be post-airlift.
Hmmm......
I've heard this narrative on FOX.
America wants to bring Afghan refugees to America. Un-vetted Afghan refugees.
Courtesy Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham.
And probably more on the far right networks that I wouldn't call news organizations.
For discussion.....
You can’t really vet in an emergency.
26 Aug 21
@mghrn55 saidBiden could have said no, brought back large numbers of US troops and said we will leave on my schedule.
Correct.
And Trump left Biden a "gift" (aka sabotage) before he left office by reducing the US military head count to 2500.
Those are good numbers with which to put the Taliban in their place.
26 Aug 21
@mott-the-hoople saidThis report of 'asking permission' is just diplomatic small talk. When it comes down to getting Americans home the US will go in a take them by whatever means necessary.
Because of biden, the most powerful country on earth has been reduced to ASKING PERMISSION.
26 Aug 21
@c-i-v saidYeah but we are talking mainly about interpreters and support staff who would’ve been embedded with US forces so if they weren’t vetted properly for that role then it ain’t bidens fault is it.
@mghrn55
During war you pay spies who provide reliable information.
The character of the spy or his past is irrelevant.
So like I said...they did it for money and they could be bad people.
They also could have worked both sides.
They also could be holding a grudge or whatever and attack the USA later.
I'm all for using informants in war but I'm against giving them sanctuary afterwards.
They are snitches after all and they can be bought.
The US spies are probably still embedded with the Taliban that’s usually how these things work.
26 Aug 21
@no1marauder saidAre you sure you want to use Dunkirk as a comparison?
When the shouting and screaming and media BS is over, a fair assessment of this evacuation will be it was the most successful since Dunkirk.
If I didn’t know you were a steadfast Dem I’d have assumed you were being sardonically sarcastic.
26 Aug 21
@mott-the-hoople saidHahaha you halfwit the Taliban always lie about these things. A Taliban promise is about as reliable as a British rail timetable.
you use a made up scenario to make a point?
Trump was not having that problem with them, they knew he meant business.
Because of biden, the most powerful country on earth has been reduced to ASKING PERMISSION.
If you can gather up any facts I would like to hear them.
I bet if YOU were one of those Americans stranded, soon to be abandoned over there you would have different thoughts other than callous excuses.
Trump was either to dumb to know that or guessed he wouldn’t be in the chair when the do do hit the fan, or both.
26 Aug 21
@mott-the-hoople saidTo your point, our liberal posters seem just glued to the past, to the blame, to what might have been, blah blah. They don't write about 11AM this morning. I guess stirring it up is their main modus operandi.
you people keep ignoring the fact biden effectually allowed the complete takeover when he removed US soldiers without any conditions, placed Americans in jeopardy and ARMED the taliban.
That is exactly what happened when you look past the hyperbole.
China is happy.
26 Aug 21
@mott-the-hoople saidOpps, careful, Marauder does not like putting one personally into a hypothetical. Like, what if it was your daughter,,,,such as that. What if your daughter were one of the stranded prisoners? I don't see why that is improper in our guidelines.
you use a made up scenario to make a point?
Trump was not having that problem with them, they knew he meant business.
Because of biden, the most powerful country on earth has been reduced to ASKING PERMISSION.
If you can gather up any facts I would like to hear them.
I bet if YOU were one of those Americans stranded, soon to be abandoned over there you would have different thoughts other than callous excuses.