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29 May 10
29 May 10
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWikipedia says this:
No, he was the legitimate leader of the MPLA, self-declared top dog party of Angola, but in fact not really. The first national Angolan elections took place in 1992.
After the death of Angola's first president, Agostinho Neto, on September 10, 1979, José Eduardo dos Santos was elected as President of the MPLA on September 20, 1979, and he took office as President of Angola, President of the MPLA, and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces on September 21. He was also elected as President of the People's Assembly on November 9, 1980
Would you clarify? I know Wiki cannot be trusted, but it's often a pretty good source of info.
29 May 10
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungHe was elected president of the MPLA and took office as President of Angola. Bear in mind that three different independent Angolas were declared ... He was not voted into power in a democratic election of all Angola.
Wikipedia says this:
That said, the MPLA was the most powerful group when dos Santos took over. Of course, the USA saw fit to prolong the war by supporting Unita.
29 May 10
Originally posted by Bosse de NageOK. I need to look into the details of that election. Do you have any soft sources I can look at that discuss it?
He was elected president of the MPLA and took office as President of Angola. Bear in mind that three different independent Angolas were declared ... He was not voted into power in a democratic election of all Angola.
That said, the MPLA was the most powerful group when dos Santos took over. Of course, the USA saw fit to prolong the war by supporting Unita.
29 May 10
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWhat's the secret of your patience?
He was elected president of the MPLA and took office as President of Angola. Bear in mind that three different independent Angolas were declared ... He was not voted into power in a democratic election of all Angola.
That said, the MPLA was the most powerful group when dos Santos took over. Of course, the USA saw fit to prolong the war by supporting Unita.
29 May 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThere's the official MPLA website. Maybe adam has more.
Free websites, vs hard sources being on paper.
But logic ought to suffice: the 1979 election was not a national election (the first in Angola being held in 1992); therefore Dos Santos was not elected president of Angola, only president of the MPLA.
29 May 10
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungThat's Vichy France; I'm not sure if it's applicable. I mean, I'm not sure it's correct to say that France was having a civil war. Even so, there were still (Free) French people persevering in the face of horrific struggle.
France under Petain didn't do too well.
29 May 10
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThe government of France surrendered and a general, Du Gaulle, turned traitor to that government by refusing to obey. He then led what was in effect a military coup with the assistance of outside powers.
That's Vichy France; I'm not sure if it's applicable. I mean, I'm not sure it's correct to say that France was having a civil war. Even so, there were still (Free) French people persevering in the face of horrific struggle.
He did the right thing, and I'm glad he did - the Nazis were horrible, horrible people - but it's true.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungOh, well, there we go: French people persevering in the face of horrific struggle! And De Gaulle went on to become the legitimate French leader. But he was not the democratically elected leader of France during the Second World War.
The government of France surrendered and a general, Du Gaulle, turned traitor to that government by refusing to obey. He then led what was in effect a military coup with the assistance of outside powers.
He did the right thing, and I'm glad he did - the Nazis were horrible, horrible people - but it's true.
The illegitimacy of the Vichy government is an interesting question. Can a government that surrenders its sovereignty still claim to be a government?
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageFrench ethnicity but not French nationality 🙂
Oh, well, there we go: French people persevering in the face of horrific struggle! And De Gaulle went on to become the legitimate French leader. But he was not the democratically elected leader of France during the Second World War.
The illegitimacy of the Vichy government is an interesting question. Can a government that surrenders its sovereignty still claim to be a government?
Not until the new government was set up.