29 May 06
Originally posted by bbarrI don't have a moral problem with veganism until they attempt to evangelize me. When they do, I'm inclined to invite as many over as I can accommodate on the barbie (excepting philosophers, of course). Philosophers that appreciate good BBQ and real beer (Guinness and microbrews--no Bud and Miller) are always welcome.
Pleasure and pain, like all sensations, are conscious states. Conscious states, by definition, are mental states. I thought all this was untendentious. Apparently you have some different conception of sensation? Do you think that rocks can have sensations? Thermometers?
Sure, I find it perfectly reasonable to kill non-human animals if doing so is neces ...[text shortened]... t from under the bed only on the condition that I would never take him to Eastern Washington.
The argument I've presented so far comes from an as yet unnamed character in my novel that has it in for Sandi--the vegan Animal Rights attorney in the same text.
29 May 06
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Originally posted by bbarrSo you are as ignorant of the activities of the 'animal rights' extremists in England as you are of logical argument.
What sort of terrorist attacks?
Several were recently sent to jail for upto 12 years for terrorist offences including arson. Got it?
29 May 06
Originally posted by Nargagunabbarr is ignorant of logical argument??
So you are as ignorant of the activities of the 'animal rights' extremists in England as you are of logical argument.
Several were recently sent to jail for upto 12 years for terrorist offences including arson. Got it?
You've really lost it now (if you ever had it).
29 May 06
Originally posted by NargagunaIt has to be said, you're going to struggle here against bbar.
So you are as ignorant of the activities of the 'animal rights' extremists in England as you are of logical argument.
Several were recently sent to jail for upto 12 years for terrorist offences including arson. Got it?
He is one smart fella!
29 May 06
Originally posted by WulebgrI agree with the bit about Guiness.
I don't have a moral problem with veganism until they attempt to evangelize me. When they do, I'm inclined to invite as many over as I can accommodate on the barbie (excepting philosophers, of course). Philosophers that appreciate good BBQ and real beer (Guinness and microbrews--no Bud and Miller) are always welcome.
The argument I've presented so far com ...[text shortened]... cter in my novel that has it in for Sandi--the vegan Animal Rights attorney in the same text.
29 May 06
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Originally posted by NargagunaSorry, I don't follow the animal rights movement in England. I write on animal rights and on our obligations towards animals, but I don't follow every animal rights or animal liberation groups' hairbrained activities. I asked because people often take any sort of civil disobedience or direct action on the part of animal rights groups to be terrorism (spray painting fur, for instance). Whether arson qualifies as terrorism depends partly on the intentions of those who set the fire, now doesn't it? If you're referring to the ALF's campaign, then that is terrorism (and really dumb if your aim is to actually liberate animals).
So you are as ignorant of the activities of the 'animal rights' extremists in England as you are of logical argument.
Several were recently sent to jail for upto 12 years for terrorist offences including arson. Got it?
I'm ignorant of logical argument? I'm certainly ignorant of whatever it is you think constitutes an argument. If you're interested in a quick introduction to either deductive or abductive argument (the two forms commonly used in these forums) or to informal principles of critical reasoning, then you ought to 1) remove your head from your own ass, and 2) ask me nicely. Seriously, if you want to learn about actual argument, I'd be happy to try and educate you.
29 May 06
Originally posted by WulebgrWell, I have a problem with evangelicals too, and that regardless of whether they're vegans. When my vegan friends take issue with me for driving my pick-up, I want to toss them in the back and drop them off somewhere far, far away from their precious Whole Foods.
I don't have a moral problem with veganism until they attempt to evangelize me. When they do, I'm inclined to invite as many over as I can accommodate on the barbie (excepting philosophers, of course). Philosophers that appreciate good BBQ and real beer (Guinness and microbrews--no Bud and Miller) are always welcome.
The argument I've presented so far com ...[text shortened]... cter in my novel that has it in for Sandi--the vegan Animal Rights attorney in the same text.
I appreciate good BBQ, and am planning today on BBQ-ing some fat Halibut steaks, and drinking a bunch of LaConner IPA. Have you had any of LaConner's beer? They have a great version of a Belgian Witbeir.