08 Jul 13
Originally posted by EladarClearly all moral codes are built on some axioms, but I don't see how that makes all moral codes "religion". Algebra is based on certain axioms, does that make algebra a religion?
Anything that has to do with morality has to do with religion. The only question is whether or not you are willing to admit that your worldviews are based on some set of assumed 'facts'. Not one of your assumed fact is a fact at all, it is simply an opinion based on some worldview or 'religious' belief depending on how wants to frame one's beliefs.
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by KazetNagorraI believe I limited it to topics of morality. If one basis one's morality on Algebra, then I suppose it could be described as a religous belief.
Clearly all moral codes are built on some axioms, but I don't see how that makes all moral codes "religion". Algebra is based on certain axioms, does that make algebra a religion?
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by EladarI suppose I shouldn't be surprised; this isn't the first time you arbitrarily redefine words to give them completely different meanings as a discussion technique.
I believe I limited it to topics of morality. If one basis one's morality on Algebra, then I suppose it could be described as a religous belief.
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by KazetNagorraIt isn't a discussion technique. It is a statement of fact that certain people just don't want to admit. It appears that you are one such person. I'm not really surprised.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised; this isn't the first time you arbitrarily redefine words to give them completely different meanings as a discussion technique.
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by normbenignI don't see how that follows that the belief that extra marital sex being a bad thing or being anti-abortion being religious morals outside of the fact that it would be a moral judgement that they have in common.
An example would be an atheist who holds that extra marital sex is a bad thing.
Opposition to abortion based not on any religious grounds.
By that logic then thinking murder is bad would be a "religious moral".
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by PsychoPawnThat's a fair point. Why is murder wrong?
I don't see how that follows that the belief that extra marital sex being a bad thing or being anti-abortion being religious morals outside of the fact that it would be a moral judgement that they have in common.
By that logic then thinking murder is bad would be a "religious moral".
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by dryhumpIt's wrong because it deprives life from another human being for one.
That's a fair point. Why is murder wrong?
Do you think it's wrong just because the bible (or another holy book) said so?
What if the commandment said "Thou shalt kill a random innocent stranger periodically" would you have no qualms about killing someone?
08 Jul 13
Let's not pretend that a human embryo at whatever stage doesn't constitute life. Abortion is the ending of a life. There may be valid reasons to do so, but that's what it is. Any attempt to argue otherwise is completely dishonest. If you disagree with that statement, I want you to consider for a moment how you would feel if the Mars rovers discovered a single celled organism on the red planet.
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by dryhumpLet's not pretend this thread is about abortion. There are other threads for that debate.
Let's not pretend that a human embryo at whatever stage doesn't constitute life. Abortion is the ending of a life. There may be valid reasons to do so, but that's what it is. Any attempt to argue otherwise is completely dishonest. If you disagree with that statement, I want you to consider for a moment how you would feel if the Mars rovers discovered a single celled organism on the red planet.
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by PsychoPawnWhy does it matter if you deprive another human being of life, though? I ate sausage this morning. At one point the pig that the sausage was made from was alive. Am I in the wrong to deprive the pig of life? The bible doesn't have a commandment like that.
It's wrong because it deprives life from another human being for one.
Do you think it's wrong just because the bible (or another holy book) said so?
What if the commandment said "Thou shalt kill a random innocent stranger periodically" would you have no qualms about killing someone?
08 Jul 13
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Originally posted by dryhumpActually, the bible does have a commandment against eating pigs. The old testament does at least. I'll assume that you can understand why a pig isn't directly analogous to a human being and hence why your analogy isn't good.
Why does it matter if you deprive another human being of life, though? I ate sausage this morning. At one point the pig that the sausage was made from was alive. Am I in the wrong to deprive the pig of life? The bible doesn't have a commandment like that.
What do you mean by "matter"? really? Is it important?
Morality is merely a set of rules that society has developed that governs our behavior. It is ingrained that when we deprive another human being of a life then this is contrary to our society's growth and health.
08 Jul 13
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Originally posted by dryhumpCalling a one celled organism a "human being" is dishonest. If the Mars rover discovered one celled organisms we wouldn't pretend it had discovered "human beings".
Let's not pretend that a human embryo at whatever stage doesn't constitute life. Abortion is the ending of a life. There may be valid reasons to do so, but that's what it is. Any attempt to argue otherwise is completely dishonest. If you disagree with that statement, I want you to consider for a moment how you would feel if the Mars rovers discovered a single celled organism on the red planet.
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by PsychoPawnIt is ingrained AND THEREFORE all societies forbid murder and did even in our Natural State i.e. small, hunter gatherer bands.
Actually, the bible does have a commandment against eating pigs. The old testament does at least. I'll assume that you can understand why a pig isn't directly analogous to a human being and hence why your analogy isn't good.
What do you mean by "matter"? really? Is it important?
Morality is merely a set of rules that society has developed that go ...[text shortened]... ve another human being of a life then this is contrary to our society's growth and health.
08 Jul 13
Originally posted by PsychoPawnI don't think you ever answered the question why killing another human being is evil.
Actually, the bible does have a commandment against eating pigs. The old testament does at least. I'll assume that you can understand why a pig isn't directly analogous to a human being and hence why your analogy isn't good.
What do you mean by "matter"? really? Is it important?
Morality is merely a set of rules that society has developed that go ...[text shortened]... ve another human being of a life then this is contrary to our society's growth and health.