14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesYou ARE an American .. right?
If any group cannot or will not use legal means to dispute or correct whatever it is they are acting out against and then resort to violence (disrupting businesses, destruction of property, bombing, taking lives, etc), are they not simply terrorists? Is extreme activism the same as terrorism if it plans for then executes violent acts?
Well ... you just discribed the American Revolution in the quote above.
Without what you call terrorism, you'd be living in a British Colony.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by jammerI am an American. But I disagree with what you've said. I choose to call the founding fathers inserectionists (not terrorists) founding a new nation. This has nothing to do with random acts of terror worldwide.
You ARE an American .. right?
Well ... you just discribed the American Revolution in the quote above.
Without what you call terrorism, you'd be living in a British Colony.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesDon't you think it's ironic that in both instances they (founding fathers and terrorists) are trying to achieve something very similar?
I am an American. But I disagree with what you've said. I choose to call the founding fathers inserectionists (not terrorists) founding a new nation. This has nothing to do with random acts of terror worldwide.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesWho said the aim of terrorists (as is a phrase coined by the West) is to establish a worldwide 'caliphate'?
Let's see...founding a new nation and establishing a worldwide caliphate.
Yeah, these two sound pretty similar. 🙄
Don't you think they are fighting against perceived injustices (whether or not their perceptions are correct is a different matter).
Why did the founding fathers want a new nation of their own?
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by ASROMAThey have stated this time and again.
Who said the aim of terrorists (as is a phrase coined by the West) is to establish a worldwide 'caliphate'?
Don't you think they are fighting against perceived injustices (whether or not their perceptions are correct is a different matter).
Why did the founding fathers want a new nation of their own?
14 Aug 06
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Originally posted by sword4damoclesWho has?
They have stated this time and again.
You are also making a vital flaw in your assumption that all terrorists want a worldwide 'caliphate' because that implies that all terrorists are Muslim.
Such an insinuation serves only to make your bias abundantly clear.
But getting back to the point, who has stated that their ultimate goal is to colonise the globe and make it Muslim.
When answering please make special references to:
- Hamas
- Hizbullah
- PAGAD (People against ‘gangsterism’ and crime, a local South African organisation deemed as a terrorist organisation by none other than the United States of America)
- Heck just mention all of those that have this colonisation as a stated aim.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by ASROMAPlease don't get me wrong.
Who has?
You are also making a vital flaw in your assumption that all terrorists want a worldwide 'caliphate' because that implies that all terrorists are Muslim.
Such an insinuation serves only to make your bias abundantly clear.
But getting back to the point, who has stated that their ultimate goal is to colonise the globe and make it Muslim.
Wh ...[text shortened]... tes of America)
- Heck just mention all of those that have this colonisation as a stated aim.
I'm merely citing the most prevalent, largest group and 'so in the media' terrorists in the world today - that's all.
Remember, all of us are biased, including you. We all have life experiences and from these we form our outlook. We can't help it. Can you?
14 Aug 06
Additionally, it is the general stated aim of the first groups you mentioned to establish a worldwide caliphate - it's been that way for a long time. Now if this aim were to be propagated peacefully I don't have a problem with it. They can try as all (most) other religions try to convert people to their belief systems.
As for the others, I know not of them since they are localized and are fighting for their own causes (I imagine). That's fine because they are not killing people the world over to draw attention to their own cause.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesOf course not.
Please don't get me wrong.
I'm merely citing the most prevalent, largest group and 'so in the media' terrorists in the world today - that's all.
Remember, all of us are biased, including you. We all have life experiences and from these we form our outlook. We can't help it. Can you?
Now answer the question.
Or did you make the statement out of bias?
Can the media be biased?
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesSo fighting for a free Palestine doesn't count, in your opinion? Do you really think those people fight everyone just for the heck of it?
Is a terrorist the same as an insurectionist?
Doesn't an insurectionist simply fight to free his own land of a perceived tyrant and a terrorist simply fights anyone he can while not particularly wanting or needing to free a particular nation?
I think there is a distinction.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesI am unaware of any such aim to be totally honest.
Additionally, it is the general stated aim of the first groups you mentioned to establish a worldwide caliphate - it's been that way for a long time. Now if this aim were to be propagated peacefully I don't have a problem with it. They can try as all (most) other religions try to convert people to their belief systems.
As for the others, I know n ...[text shortened]... fine because they are not killing people the world over to draw attention to their own cause.
I don't want to sound like an obstinate pig, but could you perhaps provide a link backing up this claim?
I honestly have never heard of world colonisation forming part of Hamas' charter.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by ASROMAI answered it just above your last post.
Of course not.
Now answer the question.
Or did you make the statement out of bias?
Can the media be biased?
As for the bias accusation. I probably have more Muslim friends and associates than you do. And they are so moderate that they are ashamed of the extremist element which gets all the press.
You may be more biased than I.