14 Aug 06
Originally posted by rwingettMy point exactly.
So fighting for a free Palestine doesn't count, in your opinion? Do you really think those people fight everyone just for the heck of it?
I think terrorism applies more to MO than ideology.
At least perhaps that's what it was meant to refer to.
Now the term is used very liberally indeed.
Discontent Muslims are almost by definition terrorists.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by rwingettNo. I'm talking about the stated goal by some important Islamic figures, that's all.
So fighting for a free Palestine doesn't count, in your opinion? Do you really think those people fight everyone just for the heck of it?
Tell me, what is Iran fighting for, their own freedom? Are they helping a weaker Islamic nation or cause? Is that not what the US and the UK are doing as well?
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesConsidering I live in a Muslim community and am Muslim by birth, I seriously doubt that.
I answered it just above your last post.
As for the bias accusation. I probably have more Muslim friends and associates than you do. And they are so moderate that they are ashamed of the extremist element which gets all the press.
You may be more biased than I.
Secondly, having Muslim friends is not a great disclaimer.
Thirdly, it matters not who is more biased, but when you use terms like 'moderate' and 'extremists', you are parodying your neutral assertion in my opinion.
If it makes you feel any better, I will happily concede that you are neutral and I am biased.
Now show me where all terrorists have stated time and time again that world colonisation is their goal.
It's no use making statements like these without backing them up. It doesn't help the debate.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesThey are fighting perceived injustice not world domination.
No. I'm talking about the stated goal by some important Islamic figures, that's all.
Tell me, what is Iran fighting for, their own freedom? Are they helping a weaker Islamic nation or cause? Is that not what the US and the UK are doing as well?
I can say the same thing about America.
What are they fighting?
You say terrorism, I can easily say colonialism.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by ASROMAI never said "all". The extreme element has distorted the idea of 'Caliphate' and it is the extremists who propagate this idea.
Considering I live in a Muslim community and am Muslim by birth, I seriously doubt that.
Secondly, having Muslim friends is not a great disclaimer.
Thirdly, it matters not who is more biased, but when you use terms like 'moderate' and 'extremists', you are parodying your neutral assertion in my opinion.
If it makes you feel any better, I will happily ...[text shortened]... s no use making statements like these without backing them up. It doesn't help the debate.
I do have a somewhat positive article for you though, if you care...
http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2006b/041406/041406t.htm
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesWhere is Iran fighting again?
No. I'm talking about the stated goal by some important Islamic figures, that's all.
Tell me, what is Iran fighting for, their own freedom? Are they helping a weaker Islamic nation or cause? Is that not what the US and the UK are doing as well?
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by ASROMA...Secondly, having Muslim friends is not a great disclaimer.
Considering I live in a Muslim community and am Muslim by birth, I seriously doubt that.
Secondly, having Muslim friends is not a great disclaimer.
Thirdly, it matters not who is more biased, but when you use terms like 'moderate' and 'extremists', you are parodying your neutral assertion in my opinion.
If it makes you feel any better, I will happily ...[text shortened]... s no use making statements like these without backing them up. It doesn't help the debate.
Why Not?
...If it makes you feel any better, I will happily concede that you are neutral and I am biased.
I don't need to feel better, I feel fine. You admit your bias then, that's ok. Actually we are all biased, one way or another.
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by ASROMAThis should interest you...
Considering I live in a Muslim community and am Muslim by birth, I seriously doubt that.
Secondly, having Muslim friends is not a great disclaimer.
Thirdly, it matters not who is more biased, but when you use terms like 'moderate' and 'extremists', you are parodying your neutral assertion in my opinion.
If it makes you feel any better, I will happily ...[text shortened]... s no use making statements like these without backing them up. It doesn't help the debate.
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17074
14 Aug 06
Originally posted by ASROMAhttp://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17074
Considering I live in a Muslim community and am Muslim by birth, I seriously doubt that.
Secondly, having Muslim friends is not a great disclaimer.
Thirdly, it matters not who is more biased, but when you use terms like 'moderate' and 'extremists', you are parodying your neutral assertion in my opinion.
If it makes you feel any better, I will happily ...[text shortened]... s no use making statements like these without backing them up. It doesn't help the debate.