19 Jan 22
@no1marauder saidHere is an excerpt from the link below:
Public health agencies are in agreement that the vaccines provide additional levels of protection even for those who have had COVID:
"You should get a COVID-19 vaccine even if you already had COVID-19.
Getting sick with COVID-19 offers some protection from future illness with COVID-19, sometimes called “natural immunity.” The level of protection people get from havi ...[text shortened]... ated if you wish; you just can't travel to Australia unvaccinated without a valid medical exemption.
"The CDC study did not create a cohort of people to follow over time. Instead, they identified people hospitalized with Covid-like symptoms, and then they evaluated how many of them tested positive versus negative for Covid. Among the vaccinated, 5% tested positive, while it was 9% among the Covid recovered. What does this mean?
Though the authors do not mention it, they adopt a de facto case-control design. While not as strong as a cohort study, this is a well-established epidemiological design. The first study to show that smoking increases the risk of lung cancer used a case-control design. They compared hospitalized patients with lung cancer and found more smokers in that group compared to non-cancer patients, who served as controls. Note that if they had restricted the control group to people with (say) heart attacks, they would have answered a different question: whether smoking is a larger risk factor for lung cancer than it is for heart attacks. Since smoking is a risk factor for both diseases, such a risk estimate would differ from the one they found.
In the CDC study on Covid immunity, the cases are those patients hospitalized for Covid disease, having both Covid-like symptoms and a positive test. That is appropriate. The controls should constitute a representative sample from the population from which the Covid patients came. Unfortunately, that is not the case since Covid-negative people with Covid-like symptoms, such as pneumonia, tend to be older and frailer with comorbidities. They are also more likely to be vaccinated.
Suppose we wanted to know whether the vaccine rollout successfully reached not only the old but also frail people with comorbidities. In that case, we could conduct an age-adjusted cohort study to determine if the vaccinated were more likely to be hospitalized for non-Covid respiratory problems such as pneumonia. That would be an interesting study to do.
The problem is that the CDC study answers neither the direct question of whether vaccination or Covid recovery is better at decreasing the risk of subsequent Covid disease, nor whether the vaccine rollout successfully reached the frail. Instead, it asks which of these two has the greater effect size. It answers whether vaccination or Covid recovery is more related to Covid hospitalization or if it is more related to other respiratory type hospitalizations."
https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-covid-immunity-studies/
@metal-brain saidI'm not interested in what one of the primary authors of the Great Barrington Declaration claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration
Here is an excerpt from the link below:
"The CDC study did not create a cohort of people to follow over time. Instead, they identified people hospitalized with Covid-like symptoms, and then they evaluated how many of them tested positive versus negative for Covid. Among the vaccinated, 5% tested positive, while it was 9% among the Covid recovered. What does this mean? ...[text shortened]... talizations."
https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-covid-immunity-studies/
Kulldorff's opinions are far outside of mainstream scientific views regarding COVID.
EDIT: Besides the issue wasn't whether getting COVID OR getting vaccinated affords "better" immunity (the subject of the cited article) but whether those who have had COVID get additional protection from being vaccinated. Even the Israeli study mentioned concludes:
"Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=MuAN97RzYS5i0ARHyXOoS2QhPL4LbQOgU0ezT8U01Bg-1642566884-0-gaNycGzNCL0
20 Jan 22
@no1marauder saidThat is the delta variant, not omicron.
I'm not interested in what one of the primary authors of the Great Barrington Declaration claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration
Kulldorff's opinions are far outside of mainstream scientific views regarding COVID.
EDIT: Besides the issue wasn't whether getting COVID OR getting vaccinated affords "better" immunity (the subject of the cited ...[text shortened]... .21262415v1?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=MuAN97RzYS5i0ARHyXOoS2QhPL4LbQOgU0ezT8U01Bg-1642566884-0-gaNycGzNCL0
Omicron is vaccine resistant, even more so than delta.
Once again, why is Pfizer making a new omicron specific gene vaccine if the gene vaccines now are effective against the omicron variant? They are lying. This should be obvious to even a moron.
20 Jan 22
@no1marauder saidAustralian goobermint issues new covid test. You receive a device in a certified sealed numbered box, the device itself is then sealed inside a sterile tin foil wrapper. Instructions for use:
I'm not interested in what one of the primary authors of the Great Barrington Declaration claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration
Kulldorff's opinions are far outside of mainstream scientific views regarding COVID.
EDIT: Besides the issue wasn't whether getting COVID OR getting vaccinated affords "better" immunity (the subject of the cited ...[text shortened]... .21262415v1?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=MuAN97RzYS5i0ARHyXOoS2QhPL4LbQOgU0ezT8U01Bg-1642566884-0-gaNycGzNCL0
1: Remove device from wrapper.
2: Throw the device into the air and allow to land on a flat surface.
3: Assess test result, Heads you're a shag doody, tails you're a jimm619
20 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidIf it’s vaccine resistant it is definitely without a shadow of a doubt resistant to any immunity previous infection by other variants would give them. He throws a punch and misses again.
That is the delta variant, not omicron.
Omicron is vaccine resistant, even more so than delta.
Once again, why is Pfizer making a new omicron specific gene vaccine if the gene vaccines now are effective against the omicron variant? They are lying. This should be obvious to even a moron.
Stop lying and stop being stupid!
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20 Jan 22
@metal-brain said"Vaccines alone".
Natural immunity ‘gives better protection against Covid delta variant than vaccines alone’
That does not prove that vaccines plus natural immunity are not better than natural immunity alone, nor does it prove that vaccines with no natural immunity are not better than nothing.
But hey, basic formal logic always escaped you, didn't it?
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20 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidAs usually: no. Just no. Every time you use that term, you prove you've lost yet another point of IQ.
gene vaccine if the gene vaccines
24 Jan 22
@kmax87 saidManager travels from Guam to Aus to see wife, all jabbed up, has to quarantine two weeks in Brisbane, 3 days after stepping out of quarantine he catches covid and has to go into isolation, gets out of quarantine a second time as he's due to return to Guam.
This! +100%
In the rush to be the hero and declare freedom day and collect the political capital that goes with that, our politicians have ignored medical advice. And the spike returns. You would think by now they would have gotten the message.
One has to appreciate the beauty of kmax' and No1's absurdities, quarantines to stop covid entering Aus, catches covid in Aus.
24 Jan 22
@wajoma saidPeople are still dying from road traffic accidents, perhaps we should remove the brakes and steering columns, they are clearly useless absurdities.
Manager travels from Guam to Aus to see wife, all jabbed up, has to quarantine two weeks in Brisbane, 3 days after stepping out of quarantine he catches covid and has to go into isolation, gets out of quarantine a second time as he's due to return to Guam.
One has to appreciate the beauty of kmax' and No1's absurdities, quarantines to stop covid entering Aus, catches covid in Aus.