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16 Oct 21
17 Oct 21
@averagejoe1 saidHere's my direct answer:
Settle down man.
Anyway, how bout this, I’ll read u tomorrow. If college is free for your 5 kids, and I have none, is that a net-negative to me, a taxpayer. These 5 kids will support you with their wealth 25 years from now. I will toil many years longer than will you. A bitch, isn’t it. For me.
If my neighbor gets to have kids and able to work cause of free ...[text shortened]... with me that it is unfair on its face?
Please. Why, Suzianne will think me the laughingstock !,
No it isn't unfair.
17 Oct 21
Bernie is just a yes man for biden. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
"On Friday, West Virginia paper the Charleston Gazette-Mail published an editorial from Sanders urging support for the Democratic plan to address wealth inequity, soaring pharmaceutical costs, an increasingly expensive healthcare system and costly childcare."
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/10/16/668653/Manchin-slams-Sanders-for-supporting-Biden-spending-plan
Can anyone explain to me how the Democratic plan will address wealth inequity, soaring pharmaceutical costs, an increasingly expensive healthcare system and costly childcare? I am skeptical. Seems like Bernie is blowing smoke up our asses.
17 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidGermany is far from socialist.
In socialism the workers must at least partly control the means of production or profit from it. None of those countries you listed do that. They are not socialist countries, except maybe Germany in a limited way.
Again: some countries (and Bernie) have integrated socialist policies into their capitalist main-frame.
Healthcare, workers’ councils, unions, that sort of thing.
Germany does not have anything like the dictatorate of the politariate.
Merkel, indeed, is from a centre-right political party: i.e. pro-capitalism.
Maybe Americans get confused, because our most right-wing (economically right-wing) politica parties are to the left of the democratic party?
17 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidSo you haven't even bothered to get the details of the Democratic plan before you say there is no difference between them and the Republicans?
Bernie is just a yes man for biden. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
"On Friday, West Virginia paper the Charleston Gazette-Mail published an editorial from Sanders urging support for the Democratic plan to address wealth inequity, soaring pharmaceutical costs, an increasingly expensive healthcare system and costly childcare."
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2 ...[text shortened]... thcare system and costly childcare? I am skeptical. Seems like Bernie is blowing smoke up our asses.
Read this article and learn something: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/12/politics/house-reconciliation-package-explainer/index.html
17 Oct 21
@shavixmir saidGermany has a 5% profit sharing for employees from what I have read. That is more than any other nation that I am aware of. Jeremy Corbin suggested that the UK do something similar so the capitalists got rid of him.
Germany is far from socialist.
Again: some countries (and Bernie) have integrated socialist policies into their capitalist main-frame.
Healthcare, workers’ councils, unions, that sort of thing.
Germany does not have anything like the dictatorate of the politariate.
Merkel, indeed, is from a centre-right political party: i.e. pro-capitalism.
Maybe Americans get ...[text shortened]... most right-wing (economically right-wing) politica parties are to the left of the democratic party?
Bernie proposed expanding social programs. That doesn't make him a socialist, it makes him a progressive democrat. That is what FDR was, a progressive democrat.
Bernie is a progressive democrat, not a socialist. He is misrepresenting socialism.
17 Oct 21
@no1marauder saidIt will never pass. The wealthy will get some (puppet) democrats to oppose it.
So you haven't even bothered to get the details of the Democratic plan before you say there is no difference between them and the Republicans?
Read this article and learn something: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/12/politics/house-reconciliation-package-explainer/index.html
They should separate infrastructure spending into it's own bill. That is what is important.
They are still cluttering bills with multiple things designed to make it fail. Some call them "poison pill amendments". They are playing you democrats with the same old BS tactics because you keep falling for it.
There is a solution, but the parasitic elites have no interest in doing away with their methods of manipulation. Why would they let the "One Subject at a Time Act" ruin it for them?
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr4335
17 Oct 21
@jimm619 saidSo give us your def of socialism
..............You didn't read marauder's post....
You are talking about Marxism
There is a difference......I'll wager if you
google socialist countries you'll most of the ones I mentioned.
Wait, I'll do it for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
Yup, Less Than AverageJoe, you're wrong AGAIN, as usual.
17 Oct 21
@AverageJoe1
Sounds like jealousy. Serious jealousy. Our kids may get something I actually HAD in my college days,
I went to Palomar College in San Marcos Ca, nearly free tuition, which sent me on a 50 year career in high tech.
So what is your gripe? It will be better for us in the long run if kids are saddled with a quarter million in student debt even before they get a job.
But hey, you are a republican zombie just like the rest so you want our government to do NOTHING. Forget EPA, USDA, CDC and all the rest, let those big companies dump toxins, I FOR SURE don't give a crap, right?
@metal-brain saidQuite a stretch to say that people in the business world are creating goods, following the law, and participating in programs such as subsidies, while the govt hands out real money to people who should not be getting it, not be participating in it. Don;'t you think? Uhhh, aren't you concerned it will create a class of dependents and losers....? No, I guess you're not. Biden surely isn't. More votes! He will be voted in by losers. Not really, it will be Kamala, as he will be gone by next summer.
Wealthy people get free stuff too. Some people call it corporate welfare. The stimulus money the FRS created out of nothing and created this inflation largely went to the wealthy. The poor got some stimulus checks, but that was just to give us a cut so we didn't complain as much.
The wealthy people mostly got free money and we are paying for it with the inflation tax. ...[text shortened]... oportionately hurts the poor.
You could say inflation is the weapon of choice for class warfare.
18 Oct 21
@averagejoe1 saidThe big banks were losers that got bailed out. Are those the class of dependents and losers you are referring to? You are not forgetting that the wealthy get welfare are you?
Quite a stretch to say that people in the business world are creating goods, following the law, and participating in programs such as subsidies, while the govt hands out real money to people who should not be getting it, not be participating in it. Don;'t you think? Uhhh, aren't you concerned it will create a class of dependents and losers....? No, I guess you're not. ...[text shortened]... He will be voted in by losers. Not really, it will be Kamala, as he will be gone by next summer.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tax-provision-coronavirus-stimulus-benefit-wealthy-study/story?id=70154846
80% of the benefits of the provision went to roughly 43,000 taxpayers who earn more than $1 million a year.
End all welfare, not just welfare to the poor. The wealthy are getting most of it.
18 Oct 21
@averagejoe1 saidThe onus is on you. You tell us what socialism is.
So give us your def of socialism
You have consistently demonstrated that you don't know.
18 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidI agree. End all welfare, and then on the Next day, set up one agency to take care of the 40M indigent. Everyone else, man up. And I mean everyone. People who can get rich in 3 weeks, and losers.... all of them.
The big banks were losers that got bailed out. Are those the class of dependents and losers you are referring to? You are not forgetting that the wealthy get welfare are you?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tax-provision-coronavirus-stimulus-benefit-wealthy-study/story?id=70154846
80% of the benefits of the provision went to roughly 43,000 taxpayers who earn more th ...[text shortened]... illion a year.
End all welfare, not just welfare to the poor. The wealthy are getting most of it.