Bernie Sanders: Solar for All

@vivify said

The energy efficiency of solar panels may also improve, so that one day of sunlight can power a home for a week.

There is only so much energy to be had from a square meter of sunlight. Energy can neither be created or destroyed. The toxic panels on your roof cannot go beyond 100% efficiency this is a basic physical law. At 100% a days sunlight cannot power your house for a week.

Solar panel efficiency has plateaued at a long way below 100%. A battery is not a solar panel. One of the hindrances to increasing solar panel efficiency is as No1 pointed out is the back lash against efficient but toxic materials, cant have it both ways.

Your ignorance of very strict physical laws governing our universe exposes your religious fervor that puts you in the same region as primitive tribes sacrificing virgins to the sun god.

@no1marauder said
Funny that the Democrats passed legislation to boost domestic manufacturing of solar panels then:

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"industry advocacy group SEIA has already suggested that the tax credits in IRA could spur upwards of 30 GW of new solar panel manufacturing capacity in the United States. Add in inverter, tracker and battery manufacturing, and a true domestic supply chain of componen ...[text shortened]... els-trackers-inverters-and-batteries-would-all-get-manufacturing-credits-in-inflation-reduction-act/

weve been through these green companies fleecing the tax payers before. take a bunch of grant money then go bankrupt….

oh they make it sound good, right up till you dont hear from them anymore


dont be so naive…

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/13/ford-ev-battery-plant-china-catl.html

@wajoma said
There is only so much energy to be had from a square meter of sunlight. Energy can neither be created or destroyed. The toxic panels on your roof cannot go beyond 100% efficiency this is a basic physical law. At 100% a days sunlight cannot power your house for a week.

Solar panel efficiency has plateaued at a long way below 100%. A battery is not a solar panel. One of t ...[text shortened]... ious fervor that puts you in the same region as primitive tribes sacrificing virgins to the sun god.

You're making some unfounded assumptions. How much power can be gained from one day of sunlight? How much power is used by an average in one day? Unless you can answer that your claim that one day's worth of energy from the sun can't power a house for a week is just B.S.

What's your math? What's your methodology? Hint: you have none.

@vivify said
You're making some unfounded assumptions. How much power can be gained from one day of sunlight? How much power is used by an average in one day? Unless you can answer that your claim that one day's worth of energy from the sun can't power a house for a week is just B.S.

What's your math? What's your methodology? Hint: you have none.

The issue is; in a cold shadey environment you need heating but there's a shortage of sun, in a warm sunny climate you've got sun, but the more sun you have the more air-con you need. We don't need the numbers to know that doesn't add up any which way to one day of sunshine = one week of power. Your unrealistic clinging to majic powers merely reinforces how unequipped you are to deal with the reality of physics and the laws of physics which are a thousand times more immutable than anything a goobermint poops out.

I have been involved in a number of wind projects and a solar farm complete with an industrial size battery, when the sun goes behind a cloud that's an issue for more conventional power sources which inevitably the useless solar panels are backed by, the sun going behind a cloud means that the conventional source needs to be ramped up to fill the spot in a matter of minutes, this is an extremely inefficient way to run conventional power sources, the solar farm actually makes what was, at one time an efficient power source into a fuel guzzling, expensive to run, higher maintenance source. Solar power leads to more fossil fuels being burnt.

The battery has about 1 days commercial capacity. That is not some made in china home installation battery bought off amazon, that's a carefully designed efficient, very expensive, very toxic, very well maintained industrial size battery with all the benefits of economy of scale.

Your religious like fanaticism parallels that of the happy clappers with their beliefs in miracles.

vivify: Well just because a miracle didn't happen before doesn't mean it might not happen tomorrow.

everyone: ijit

@metal-brain said
What is your source of information?

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/solar-panels-are-three-times-more-carbon-intensive-ipcc-claims

in the other thread you lied about solar panels and then ignored what i linked.

the one about the italian youtuber who uncovered the massive conspiracy surrounding solar panels

@zahlanzi said
in the other thread you lied about solar panels and then ignored what i linked.

the one about the italian youtuber who uncovered the massive conspiracy surrounding solar panels

I don't recall that. Feel free to post it again.

@wajoma said
We don't need the numbers to know that doesn't add up any which way to one day of sunshine = one week of power.

So you have no idea how much solar energy is needed to power a home and your post is made up garbage.

@sh76 said
As usual, Sen. Sanders misses the point.

Rooftop solar energy has been around and available for decades to be installed at no cost and the rental cost is supposed to be roughly the same as your energy savings. I got solar panels on my roof in 2015 for $0 down, and it wasn't government subsidized. I pay X amount per month and I save Y amount per month on electicity. Which is g ...[text shortened]... ntire issue), most environmentalists have not pushed this as a solution to greenhouse gas emissions.

no1's rebuttal to your post made me think of this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-funds-projects-explore-nuclear-waste-reprocessing-2022-10-21/

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/02/nuclear-waste-us-could-power-the-us-for-100-years.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/10/01/why-doesnt-u-s-recycle-nuclear-fuel/

@vivify said
All technology ever madeimproves over time.

Light bulbs, cars, computers, cell phones, the internet: any technology you can name is comparably better now than in the past.

It will be the same with solar panels the more popular they get.

Including oil and gas extraction technologies.

@metal-brain said
Including oil and gas extraction technologies.

The cost of which only goes up and is a non renewable resource.

@vivify said
The cost of which only goes up and is a non renewable resource.

It is still cheaper than renewables right now and in the near future.
Renewables are dependent on subsidies to compete.

@vivify said
So you have no idea how much solar energy is needed to power a home and your post is made up garbage.

Eventually solar panels will be the size of a postage stamp and that will be all that's required to power the worlds largest container ships across the oceans day and night. All we have to do is believe.

@wajoma said
Eventually solar panels will be the size of a postage stamp and that will be all that's required to power the worlds largest container ships across the oceans day and night. All we have to do is believe.

There's a Disney movie that came out in the 90's called "Beauty and the Beast" where a character can see people and places in real time across the world using a magic mirror.

Guess what? We can do that exact thing on our phones.

Like sending men to walk on the moon or launching objects to what humans thought were stars (like Mars) and back to earth again, mankind has achieved many things that sound like magic to primitive uneducated humans like yourself.

So keep laughing at what technology may be able to accomplish as your GPS guides you using signals from satellites encircling earth from space.

@vivify said
There's a Disney movie that came out in the 90's called "Beauty and the Beast" where a character can see people and places in real time across the world using a magic mirror.

Guess what? We can do that exact thing on our phones.

Like sending men to walk on the moon or launching objects to what humans thought were stars (like Mars) and back to earth again, mankind ha ...[text shortened]... able to accomplish as your GPS guides you using signals from satellites encircling earth from space.

Your analogy completely fails, you're talking about different technologies, don't worry, a lot of people don't know about a lot of things, you're one of those people.

GPS, mobile phones, satellites, solar panels all obey very strict physical laws. I am in a business that deals with very strict physical laws daily that is why it's hard for me to enter your dream world, it's difficult for me to think of a mobile ph as a majic mirror, but for you it's complicated so you seek a simple answer i.e. it's majic.

@zahlanzi said
You make up for any manufacturing cost within 3 years of running that solar panel. They will also get better.

It depends on how many solar panels you place.
We’ve placed 8 panels and and they’ll reduce the electricity bill by about
1000 euros a year.

Most people will get their costs back within 6 years.

If the government is going to sub the costs, that will certainly help a lot of poorer people with their monthly payments.