@mghrn55 saidPerhaps Joe should be more like Trump?
Yes. That's how I interpret this.
And I would tend to agree. I had a WTF moment when I first heard about Texas and Mississippi opening up 100%.
These guys are a bunch of morons. I don't want to misjudge Neanderthals.
They've had their place in history. Last thing we need to do is compare them to a couple of GOP governors.
Hasn't Texas been through enough ??
Now, if Trump said the exact same thing it would be oh well that is Trump! Not even given a second thought. Weird how that works, I notice things on here work very similar at times! 🙂
-VR
@Very-Rusty
We are talking about pejorative fatigue, you get hit with BS day after day and the next one doesn't rise to anger anymore.
From the study in the link below:
"Conclusions: This study is the first RCT of cloth
masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth
masks. This is an important finding to inform
occupational health and safety. Moisture retention,
reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in
increased risk of infection. Further research is needed
to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally.
However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks
should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in
high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be
updated."
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/5/4/e006577.full.pdf
Notice this part of it:
"Moisture retention,
reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in
increased risk of infection."
That is why they say "proper use" of masks, but they know fully well most people are reusing masks and are at risk for infections.
Neanderthals were as Smart as Early Humans, Say Scientists
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-neanderthals-smart-early-humans-01896.html
We all know Biden was insulting their intelligence though. All Biden has done is proven his ignorance. Even his insult is not based on reality, it is based purely on perception like his bias in favor of masks.
Facts don't matter. It is all about perception. That is Biden.
@metal-brain saidSurprisingly enough Trump said something he shouldn't have said most days, and the party let it go until he took control and now they follow him like a bunch of little puppies! They may wake up some day, but I am doubtful, perhaps with time, his influence will fade.
Neanderthals were as Smart as Early Humans, Say Scientists
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-neanderthals-smart-early-humans-01896.html
We all know Biden was insulting their intelligence though. All Biden has done is proven his ignorance. Even his insult is not based on reality, it is based purely on perception like his bias in favor of masks.
Facts don't matter. It is all about perception. That is Biden.
-VR
@Metal-Brain
You mean the FACT JACK that Texas removing mask mandates and social distancing WILL cause more people to die of Covid than otherwise would have happened?
@wildgrass saidThen at least provide a terminal date, renewable if justified at the time.
I think there's general consensus that speed limits are helpful to slow people down and prevent traffic fatalities. But the enforcement of these laws are hodge pogde and inconsistent. By some statistics 80% of all drivers exceed the speed limit and the vaaaast majority of speeders are not caught. In other words, 80% of all car drivers break the law.
Despite the lack of c ...[text shortened]... ey slow infection rates and they are relatively easy to do vs. shutting down businesses and schools.
Speed limits are forever, and there is public buy-in. People also know that when the sign says 55 it really means ~65. Fine. We all get that. We respect speed limits because we all know they're necessary, even if we fudge on them a little.
Mask mandates are something we're not going to live with forever. So, if you want people to buy-in, you need to give a terminal date or at least an "until x number falls below y level." You may get the number wrong, but at least you may convince people to buy into the temporary measure.
I agree of course that masks are better than shutting things down, but that's not really the dichotomy. Forcing more shutdowns when COVID is in a free-fall and 2m people/day are being vaccinated would have almost zero public support. The dichotomy is mask mandates vs. no mask mandates, not mask mandates vs. shutdowns.
Mask burning in March? wait until the warm weather gets here. wow
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14259120/idaho-kids-toss-covid-masks-burning-trash-cans/
One kid, in the 14-second video - which was shared to Twitter and has since obtained more than 37,000 views - is heard saying: "Here fire, you hungry?
"Here, here's another mask."
A poster board seen in the footage read: "No masks, no mandates. Our face, our mind."
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Nice vid of it.
@Earl-of-Trumps
So how many will die because of this BS? I mean the whole deal, whole states removing mask mandate and the like. There will surely be deaths that could have been avoided if only they had used their brains, which are in short supply in those states.
@wildgrass saidFrom the link below:
Here's one about as apples/apples as I have seen:
[quote]The Kansas mask requirement went into effect on July 3, when coronavirus cases were rising across the state. But 81 counties opted out of the mandate, as permitted by state law. The other 24 counties — which account for the majority of the state's population — chose to require that masks be worn in public places.
...[text shortened]... ealth-shots/2020/11/23/937173060/mask-mandates-work-to-slow-spread-of-coronavirus-kansas-study-finds
"According to the CDC’s analysis, between March 1 and December 31 last year, statewide mask mandates were in effect in 2,313 of the 3,142 counties in the United States.
And, looking at the county-by-county data, the CDC concludes that mask mandates were associated with an average 1.32% decrease in the growth rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths during the first 100 days after the mask policy was implemented.
Wait, what? Only 1.32%?
You read that correctly, they didn’t misplace the decimal: according to the federal government agency that is responsible for managing the COVID-1984 pandemic, the difference between mask mandates and no mask mandate is literally just a 1.32% difference.
And bear in mind, it’s entirely possible that the real figure is even lower than that, given all the questionable COVID statistics.
For example, the CDC reports that influenza cases in the United States have dropped to almost zero in the 2020-2021 flu season, down from 56 MILLION the previous year.
It’s amazing they expect anyone to take this data seriously.
Are we honestly supposed to believe that the flu has been eradicated? Or is it possible, that, maybe just maybe, at least some influenza cases have been misdiagnosed as COVID?
If that’s the case, then the real impact of masks on COVID growth rates is potentially much lower than 1.32%.
Even the CDC seems to understand this, because at the end of its report, they inspidly conclude by stating that mask mandates “have the potential to slow the spread of COVID-19. . .” [the bold is mine, obviously]
Really? “Potential”? That’s HERESY! And an obvious contradiction to WHO guidance. It makes we wonder whether Google and Facebook are gearing up to censor this report, given they have self-appointed themselves as the Ministry of Truth.
Frankly it’s pretty incredible that the data was too weak for the CDC to make a clear assertion about the benefits of mask mandates.
(though I did say there were a couple of lawyers who co-authored this paper… and using non-committal language like “potential” certainly sounds like typical weasel lawyer-speak."
https://www.globalresearch.ca/cdc-canceled-google-facebook-covid-heresy/5739320
@metal-brain saidAnd as has been pointed out on this forum before, those wearing masks are more likely to be taking other precautions that we all know to be effective, like washing your hands, stay home if you are unwell etc. So that distorts the stats a bit as well.
From the link below:
And, looking at the county-by-county data, the CDC concludes that mask mandates were associated with an average 1.32% decrease in the growth rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths during the first 100 days after the mask policy was implemented.
@sonhouse saidIn a country though where people still argue about their freedom to not wear seatbelts or motorbike helmets, is it such a surprise?
@Earl-of-Trumps
So how many will die because of this BS? I mean the whole deal, whole states removing mask mandate and the like. There will surely be deaths that could have been avoided if only they had used their brains, which are in short supply in those states.
@sonhouse saidThe only people that will die are ones that ignore the lockdown and other rules.
@Metal-Brain
You mean the FACT JACK that Texas removing mask mandates and social distancing WILL cause more people to die of Covid than otherwise would have happened?
People risk their lives for freedom. Look at military men.
@sonhouse saidmaybe they can't "live" anyway
@Earl-of-Trumps
So how many will die because of this BS? I mean the whole deal, whole states removing mask mandate and the like. There will surely be deaths that could have been avoided if only they had used their brains, which are in short supply in those states.