11 Feb 21
@dood111 saidI think the govt is being way over-nice. There are 330,000,000 million people to serve, and a few people (in the lifeboat) have simply got to be put on the back burner. I cannot IMAGINE being a liberal.
No need for the lifeboat game, the govt got permission from every tribe and tribal council or Big Chief or whatever for the pipeline placement and they diverted it around any place the various tribes objected to having it.
11 Feb 21
@wildgrass saidI dont disagree, but there should be NO time wasted on running the line. Yes, number of jobs may be a drop in the bucket. AOC could get their way and stop oil in this country, boy, that will be good fodder. We will be thinking about the energy which runs the country, rather than the 11,000 jobs.
I didn't see that. Was that projected future hiring or existing jobs? What seemed more accurate was the ~1,000 temporary construction jobs. Temp jobs are still jobs, but they are temporary meaning they'll need another job next year anyway and that fact gets lost in the shuffle here. Only a few dozen jobs will be permanent. Compared to the overall number of unemployed Americans (>10 million) it seems like a lot of time is wasted on this drop in the bucket.
11 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidThe energy that runs our country is not oil. Oil runs our cars.
I dont disagree, but there should be NO time wasted on running the line. Yes, number of jobs may be a drop in the bucket. AOC could get their way and stop oil in this country, boy, that will be good fodder. We will be thinking about the energy which runs the country, rather than the 11,000 jobs.
"[The Biden] campaign pledged that millions of jobs would flow from repairing roads, building electric vehicle charging stations, weatherizing buildings, improving access to public transit and updating the U.S. power grid to be carbon-pollution free by 2035."
Infrastructure jobs are a good thing right?
@wildgrass saidAnd our trains trucks planes and ships. Shut those down and you'd be dead in a month.
The energy that runs our country is not oil. Oil runs our cars.
" Oil is the largest source of energy in the United States, providing close to 40 percent of all of the nation's entire power needs. Though most oil is used for transportation or home heating purposes, a small percentage is still used as a fuel for electricity generating plants."
11 Feb 21
@dood111 saidI'll be fine. Thanks for your concern, though.
And our trains trucks planes and ships. Shut those down and you'd be dead in a month.
" Oil is the largest source of energy in the United States, providing close to 40 percent of all of the nation's entire power needs. Though most oil is used for transportation or home heating purposes, a small percentage is still used as a fuel for electricity generating plants."
11 Feb 21
@wildgrass saidWhat about all the people around you that won't be fine?
I'll be fine. Thanks for your concern, though.
When there's no food on the shelves and no movement of anything, how fine do you think you'll be when people break into roving bands of scavengers?
Oil doesn't just run the country, it runs the world.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2015/04/19/three-reasons-oil-will-continue-to-run-the-world/?sh=3f55781143f9
11 Feb 21
@wildgrass saidDebtable. Sound like government jobs to me. You, know, dead end. Can you imagine a job that has no real future, just run-of-the-mill round peg in around hole. I would never work for the government, apparently you would. I wonder which one of us would get ahead in life the fastest ? It must be the entrepreneurial spirit, striving to succeed providing all that you can for your family. Can’t be done on government jobs wire grass .
The energy that runs our country is not oil. Oil runs our cars.
"[The Biden] campaign pledged that millions of jobs would flow from repairing roads, building electric vehicle charging stations, weatherizing buildings, improving access to public transit and updating the U.S. power grid to be carbon-pollution free by 2035."
Infrastructure jobs are a good thing right?
When I read statements like that, I picture of one of those scenes in Dr. Zhivaho where grey- garbed streams of workers are going down into some government mine somewhere Jesus .
11 Feb 21
@AverageJoe1
Wiregrass.............Did I really see you say above that the energy that runs the country is not oil%? Did you expend energy today, yours and you car’s and the pumps at the water plant? What energy? You are insane. AOC sounding good is she?
How DID you get work, anyway?
11 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidYes, he really said that.
@AverageJoe1
Wiregrass.............Did I really see you say above that the energy that runs the country is not oil%?
I was flabbergasted that anyone would make such a statement.
@averagejoe1 saidYes. I very clearly wrote that oil runs our cars but not our country.
@AverageJoe1
Wiregrass.............Did I really see you say above that the energy that runs the country is not oil%? Did you expend energy today, yours and you car’s and the pumps at the water plant? What energy? You are insane. AOC sounding good is she?
How DID you get work, anyway?
But I think you can read. Maybe your issue is weird semantics? Why do you think oil runs the country? What do people do then? The energy I expended today came from the food I ate.
Food runs people. People run country. Oil runs cars. Cars just run.
11 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidDo I need to remind you that the United States directly subsidizes fossil fuels to the tune of well over $600 billion per year? Oil jobs are government jobs.
Debtable. Sound like government jobs to me. You, know, dead end. Can you imagine a job that has no real future, just run-of-the-mill round peg in around hole. I would never work for the government, apparently you would. I wonder which one of us would get ahead in life the fastest ? It must be the entrepreneurial spirit, striving to succeed providing all that you can ...[text shortened]... o where grey- garbed streams of workers are going down into some government mine somewhere Jesus .
Take away the gov't cheese subsidies and I'm with you 100% on this argument. But without the subsidies oil isn't profitable, so... no more pipeline.
11 Feb 21
@wildgrass saidIdiot. Are they running ships with steam or maybe coal? And how do the airplanes get off the ground I know they can be towed, but when they fly where does that energy come from? Need to go on? Cars!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
Yes. I very clearly wrote that oil runs our cars but not our country.
But I think you can read. Maybe your issue is weird semantics? Why do you think oil runs the country? What do people do then? The energy I expended today came from the food I ate.
Food runs people. People run country. Oil runs cars. Cars just run.
11 Feb 21
@wildgrass saidWhew!
Do I need to remind you that the United States directly subsidizes fossil fuels to the tune of well over $600 billion per year? Oil jobs are government jobs.
Take away the gov't cheese subsidies and I'm with you 100% on this argument. But without the subsidies oil isn't profitable, so... no more pipeline.
12 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidSemantics. Cars/boats/planes/RVs/ATVs/snow mobiles/leaf blowers you can keep on naming machines that run on oil but they don't run countries. The energy that runs our country comes from people.
Idiot. Are they running ships with steam or maybe coal? And how do the airplanes get off the ground I know they can be towed, but when they fly where does that energy come from? Need to go on? Cars!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
If we let the subsidies for oil companies lapse we'll see how useful it actually is. For now we'll just have to guess.
12 Feb 21
@wildgrass saidWhew. Everybody, we got a live one here.
Semantics. Cars/boats/planes/RVs/ATVs/snow mobiles/leaf blowers you can keep on naming machines that run on oil but they don't run countries. The energy that runs our country comes from people.
If we let the subsidies for oil companies lapse we'll see how useful it actually is. For now we'll just have to guess.