Blow to the Barr Cover-up

@athousandyoung said
The Army is paying for the wall. What happened to Mexico paying for it?

First understand saving us from invaders was his main promise. We all (except a few posters here) are ecstatic with what he”s done. It was hismost difficult of tasks, he had no idea the hyenas (and aforementioned posters) would block him that much, so his good intentions, tho thwarted, had to be recalculated and we sre getting our wsll. The USMEX agreement in fairness was not enough, but he is getting it done. At least he didnt ruin my daughter’s insurance plan as did O. In fact, my dsughter has $4900 more now than she did in 2016! Trump COULD have used that money for the wall!

I notice above that you refer to the existence of The Wall!!!! Thankyou for your acknowledgement. Git ‘er done Donald.

@metal-brain said
What grand jury material? It is Robert Mueller's report, so what is the evidence being withheld? What does the DOJ have to do with it?

Read the article if you don't want to be so completely ignorant.

@no1marauder said
Read the article if you don't want to be so completely ignorant.

I did. It is a poor article that explains little. If it is in the Mueller report what is being withheld? Did the DOJ redact it?

Do you even understand it yourself? I can't believe you could based on the lame article you posted.

@metal-brain said
I did. It is a poor article that explains little. If it is in the Mueller report what is being withheld? Did the DOJ redact it?

Do you even understand it yourself? I can't believe you could based on the lame article you posted.

The article sufficiently explains the situation to anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of the Mueller Report. Since you aren't one of them, I'll try to explain it to you:

Mueller (who worked for and under the supervision of the DOJ) convened a Grand Jury which took testimony and eventually returned indictments.

Yes, the DOJ redacted portions of the Mueller Report. Some of those redactions were because Grand Jury proceedings are generally secret though there are certain exceptions.

The House using one of these exceptions, has requested the Grand Jury evidence. During the Watergate impeachment hearings, Grand Jury evidence was turned over to the impeachment inquiry.

The Trump Cover-Up and Stonewalling Team (formerly known as the "United States Department of Justice"😉 doesn't want to turn anything over. It has even argued that "the agency should not have turned over grand jury information to Congress in the Watergate proceedings."

The decision is a victory for the rule of law.

@averagejoe1 said
First understand saving us from invaders was his main promise. We all (except a few posters here) are ecstatic with what he”s done. It was hismost difficult of tasks, he had no idea the hyenas (and aforementioned posters) would block him that much, so his good intentions, tho thwarted, had to be recalculated and we sre getting our wsll. The USMEX agreement in fairness was ...[text shortened]... u refer to the existence of The Wall!!!! Thankyou for your acknowledgement. Git ‘er done Donald.

Trump should be impeached for stealing public money for the Wall when Congress explicitly refused to fund it.

@no1marauder said
The article sufficiently explains the situation to anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of the Mueller Report. Since you aren't one of them, I'll try to explain it to you:

Mueller (who worked for and under the supervision of the DOJ) convened a Grand Jury which took testimony and eventually returned indictments.

Yes, the DOJ redacted portions of the Mueller Repo ...[text shortened]... rmation to Congress in the Watergate proceedings."

The decision is a victory for the rule of law.

I didn't know Grand Jury evidence was secret. I thought congress could get all this information when they wanted to, but I also didn't know that the impeachment inquiry could be kept secret from most congressmen until recently either. Only certain committee members are allowed to see and hear it, right? What is so top secret about the preceding s that even most of congress should be kept in the dark? They cannot be trusted?

@metal-brain said
I didn't know Grand Jury evidence was secret. I thought congress could get all this information when they wanted to, but I also didn't know that the impeachment inquiry could be kept secret from most congressmen until recently either. Only certain committee members are allowed to see and hear it, right? What is so top secret about the preceding s that even most of congress should be kept in the dark? They cannot be trusted?

At present, all that is being done is having depositions of witnesses. This is typically done in closed sessions:

"A deposition is a tool of congressional fact-gathering, and is different from a hearing, which is meant to get people to say things publicly, says Molly Reynolds, a congressional scholar at the Brookings Institution, by email. “There are several reasons the House is conducting depositions and not hearings now,” she says. “One is that they are still in a fact-gathering mode. The second is that the sensitive nature of the underlying information makes it more appropriate for closed-door sessions, at least on an initial pass.

House Democrats add that they don’t want witnesses to be able to coordinate their testimonies. They also point out that the inquiries into Presidents Nixon and Clinton both had independent prosecutors to conduct private interviews of witnesses. Absent such a prosecutor, they say, the committees have to step into the role."

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2019/1024/A-closed-door-impeachment-process-Three-questions

Eventually the transcripts of the depositions will be released and public hearings will be held before any vote in the Judiciary Committee regarding proposed articles of impeachment:

"Congressman Raskin said the committee would release transcripts of the testimonies and eventually hold public hearings. The Washington Post reported Wednesday that public hearings could start as soon as the middle of November. "

@no1marauder said
At present, all that is being done is having depositions of witnesses. This is typically done in closed sessions:

"A deposition is a tool of congressional fact-gathering, and is different from a hearing, which is meant to get people to say things publicly, says Molly Reynolds, a congressional scholar at the Brookings Institution, by email. “There are several reasons th ...[text shortened]... ington Post reported Wednesday that public hearings could start as soon as the middle of November. "

The impeachment proceedings against Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Bill Clinton were open to the public.

"Congressman Raskin said the committee would release transcripts of the testimonies and eventually hold public hearings. The Washington Post reported Wednesday that public hearings could start as soon as the middle of November."

When? After it is out of the news?

@metal-brain said
The impeachment proceedings against Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Bill Clinton were open to the public.

"Congressman Raskin said the committee would release transcripts of the testimonies and eventually hold public hearings. The Washington Post reported Wednesday that public hearings could start as soon as the middle of November."

When? After it is out of the news?

The bulk of the evidence gathered in the Nixon and Clinton impeachment cases were done by Grand Juries in secret sessions.

I doubt very much public impeachment hearings will be "out of the news".

@no1marauder said
The bulk of the evidence gathered in the Nixon and Clinton impeachment cases were done by Grand Juries in secret sessions.

I doubt very much public impeachment hearings will be "out of the news".

"The bulk of the evidence gathered in the Nixon and Clinton impeachment cases were done by Grand Juries in secret sessions."

I stand by my statement.

The impeachment proceedings against Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Bill Clinton were open to the public.

@metal-brain said
"The bulk of the evidence gathered in the Nixon and Clinton impeachment cases were done by Grand Juries in secret sessions."

I stand by my statement.

The impeachment proceedings against Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Bill Clinton were open to the public.

Stand by whatever you want; the public hearings were only done after the bulk of the evidence had been presented by special prosecutors to grand juries in secret sessions. As there are no special prosecutors here, the House must gather its own evidence by similar means.

There surely will be public impeachment proceedings after the depositions are finished.

@no1marauder said
Stand by whatever you want; the public hearings were only done after the bulk of the evidence had been presented by special prosecutors to grand juries in secret sessions. As there are no special prosecutors here, the House must gather its own evidence by similar means.

There surely will be public impeachment proceedings after the depositions are finished.

That is not an impeachment proceeding. The house is using an impeachment proceding to fish for possible evidence it doesn't know exists. Pelosi made a mockery of the impeachment process by ignoring precedent and not holding a vote.

If it gets to the senate there will be a trial and it better be open to the public. As long as that happens Trump will finish his term.

@no1marauder said
Big Federal Court win for our democracy:

"A federal court judge on Friday ordered the Department of Justice to turn over grand jury material referenced in redacted portions of special counsel Robert Mueller's report to the House Judiciary Committee.

Beryl Howell, the chief judge for the Washington, D.C. district court, ordered DOJ to turn over the materials by Wedne ...[text shortened]... ng by Trump and his minions to avoid the American People knowing the truth is destined to fail.

"

@-#1💩weasel

what evidence do you have that this is a “cover-up”?

@metal-brain said
What grand jury material? It is Robert Mueller's report, so what is the evidence being withheld? What does the DOJ have to do with it?

it doesnt matter...there is not any impeachment inquiry. This obama judge will be overturned.

@mott-the-hoople said
it doesnt matter...there is not any impeachment inquiry. This obama judge will be overturned.

"This obama judge will be overturned."

Oh great! So now, judges are mere reflections of the President what appointed them?