24 Dec 19
-Removed-Well, First consider that the VW criminals were criminals with malicious intent. To me they were worse than the activity of the Boeing officers behind the two plane crashes, where management was trying in the modern world to continue to make things better, such as improving the technology of the airplane in the sky.
One was a crime, one was an accident. We cant really say it was mis.managed. My 2 cents. And as much as I hate it, several months down the road yes, it will become forgotten and everybody will get on those planes to go somewhere. Human nature, I am afraid .
25 Dec 19
@earl-of-trumps saidJust as long as we agree to compare apples to apples......the VW guys were criminal, malicious , intent.... the Boeing guys made some mistakes. Just as different as are Biden and Trump. Biden is crooked, Trump is not. Cant compare the two. 😆 😆 😆
You are right. Heads may fly in the end, over this.
They should have been more concerned. And the CEO is really the guy to blame. He's supposed to be on top of this.
They'll replace the software engineer, at the very least as well.
25 Dec 19
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@wolfgang59 saidI will re-state...I did no such thing. We cannot compare the criminals at VW who are behind bars, with the mistake-prone combination of errors at Boeing. Likewise, we cannot compare Trump and Biden, because (in my opinion) Biden is a criminal in his Ukraine dealings, and Trump has not been found, after 5 investigations over 3 years for $40Million, to have committed any crimes. THAT is not an opinion.
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You just did.
So, we cannot compare biden...crook, with Trump...not a crook. And please, no more about how you hate Trump, with a few expletives thrown in. See the issue, it is not about hating Trump. I tell you what,,,,,lets say I hate Trump. We agree on that. Then re-read the above, taking hate out of the equation . Whew...
28 Dec 19
@averagejoe1 saidMalicious intent need not be proven to establish liability. Some mistakes are culpable. Culpable neglect of duty would be sufficient to establish liability. For example, if internal Boeing documents should come to light that test pilots had encountered similar difficulties with the jets, and the CEO took no action to delegate further testing and rectification of the suspected flaw, that would be culpable negligence.
Just as long as we agree to compare apples to apples......the VW guys were criminal, malicious , intent.... the Boeing guys made some mistakes.
28 Dec 19
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@moonbus saidI agree, if no intent was there, that would be one matter. They are still culpable but not really held to the same level of crime of someone who does such deeds deliberately - so as to make money via sales (see VW)
Malicious intent need not be proven to establish liability. Some mistakes are culpable. Culpable neglect of duty would be sufficient to establish liability. For example, if internal Boeing documents should come to light that test pilots had encountered similar difficulties with the jets, and the CEO took no action to delegate further testing and rectification of the suspected flaw, that would be culpable negligence.
But (notice there is always that caveat)….
and the CEO took no action to delegate further testing and rectification of the suspected flaw, that would be culpable negligence.
I think the term here is "criminal negligence". And I think they may have a case. My opinion.
28 Dec 19
@divegeester
Don't forget the 50 MILLION dollar golden parachute he also gets. Let's see. It better be a REALLY big parachute. 50 mil in gold clocks in about a ton and a half...….
29 Dec 19
@moonbus saidNo argument there. If a person commits s crime, they should go to jail. You can call this Whataboutism, , but should Hillary? Why not?
Malicious intent need not be proven to establish liability. Some mistakes are culpable. Culpable neglect of duty would be sufficient to establish liability. For example, if internal Boeing documents should come to light that test pilots had encountered similar difficulties with the jets, and the CEO took no action to delegate further testing and rectification of the suspected flaw, that would be culpable negligence.
29 Dec 19
@averagejoe1 saidEvidence?
No argument there. If a person commits s crime, they should go to jail. You can call this Whataboutism, , but should Hillary? Why not?
29 Dec 19
@handyandy saidSmashing govt property. Oh, I forgot, about 20 more clearly google-able
Evidence?