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16 Feb 22
@shavixmir saidNot in any meaningful way, no. The USA is not going to invade Ukraine, let alone Russia. Unless Putin decides to kick it off, which he already has a history of.
150.000… that’s inflation for you.
I couldn’t care less about the Ukraine or the Crimea.
But, when US intelligence is ramping up these sorts of scenarios, it reminds one of Iraq… doesn’t it?
17 Feb 22
@shallow-blue saidWhat this self-made crisis does, is secure funding for NATO for the coming decades and make a good many weapons manifacturers very rich.
Not in any meaningful way, no. The USA is not going to invade Ukraine, let alone Russia. Unless Putin decides to kick it off, which he already has a history of.
*insert slow applause*
17 Feb 22
@contenchess saidProbably just rearranging forces to give some soldiers a break or a new point of invasion has been found.
It's winter over there no?
Probably just rearranging forces to give some soldiers a break or a new point of invasion has been found.
That's quite possible. I don't think anyone can predict accurately what will happen at this point, nor do I trust Putin as far as I can throw an aircraft carrier.
17 Feb 22
@mchill saidWhy would they need a new point of invasion?
Probably just rearranging forces to give some soldiers a break or a new point of invasion has been found.
That's quite possible. I don't think anyone can predict accurately what will happen at this point, nor do I trust Putin as far as I can throw an aircraft carrier.
17 Feb 22
@shavixmir saidThey don't. I was just trying to point out that predicting Putin's next move is best left to folks with the latest intel. - And that's not any of us.
Why would they need a new point of invasion?
17 Feb 22
@mchill saidMy major problem is that lots of you believe the US's intelligence, but don't believe Russia.
They don't. I was just trying to point out that predicting Putin's next move is best left to folks with the latest intel. - And that's not any of us.
Where in both parties are equally untrustworthy.
17 Feb 22
@shavixmir saidBut the only one that has invaded the Ukraine in recent history is definitely Russia, and they are either about to invade it some more or at least convince everyone, including US intelligence, that is their intention.
My major problem is that lots of you believe the US's intelligence, but don't believe Russia.
Where in both parties are equally untrustworthy.
There is no mystery here, when a nation that already occupies some of your territory assembles an invasion ready force on your border it’s reasonable to assume that they are going to invade, and if they don’t end up invading what harm has been done?
I think Russia is depending on peoples natural scepticism regarding any intelligence agency, it’s not unrelated to the right wing ‘fake news’ mantra of the trumptards in the US.
I wonder how ‘right on’ anti CIA any westerner would be if this invasion ready force was parked on our border.
17 Feb 22
@mchill saidIt’s farcical that Russian intelligence can show stock footage of tanks moving and that is supposed to be evidence of a Russian withdrawal. Yeah ok Vlad we’ll just dismantle NATO and go home 👍
They don't. I was just trying to point out that predicting Putin's next move is best left to folks with the latest intel. - And that's not any of us.
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17 Feb 22
@shavixmir saidWell, when the one side has verifiable satelite images of troop build-up, plus the knowledge that this has happened before...
My major problem is that lots of you believe the US's intelligence, but don't believe Russia.
Where in both parties are equally untrustworthy.
...and the other side has Putin's pinky-swear that he's not going to invade - again...
...I really don't think they're equally untrustworthy. Maybe when it comes to other matters such as internet surveillance or trade standards, but not in the case at hand.
@kevcvs57 saidhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18023383
But the only one that has invaded the Ukraine in recent history is definitely Russia, and they are either about to invade it some more or at least convince everyone, including US intelligence, that is their intention.
There is no mystery here, when a nation that already occupies some of your territory assembles an invasion ready force on your border it’s reasonable to assum ...[text shortened]... ow ‘right on’ anti CIA any westerner would be if this invasion ready force was parked on our border.
I suggest looking at the map they've added on NATO expansion.
Mix that with the US's history of invading countries at will, combined with the excercises they keep doing (I linked to that in another thread or post) and stirred together with the US's demand of member states to step up and pay a bizarre amount of money... would you be comfortable as Russia?
17 Feb 22
@shallow-blue saidYou can't trust the US in any bloody fashion.
Well, when the one side has verifiable satelite images of troop build-up, plus the knowledge that this has happened before...
...and the other side has Putin's pinky-swear that he's not going to invade - again...
...I really don't think they're equally untrustworthy. Maybe when it comes to other matters such as internet surveillance or trade standards, but not in the case at hand.
They lie, weasle and threaten whenever one of their lobby groups has a hissy-fit.
@shavixmir saidAre you seriously saying NATO and / or the US is stupid enough to invade Russia or even that Putin thinks that is a credible threat.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18023383
I suggest looking at the map they've added on NATO expansion.
Mix that with the US's history of invading countries at will, combined with the excercises they keep doing (I linked to that in another thread or post) and stirred together with the US's demand of member states to step up and pay a bizarre amount of money... would you be comfortable as Russia?
I understand that Russia has every reason to be wary of Ukraine joining NATO but that’s not going to happen because it needs to be a unanimous decision and even if the US and their bitch, the UK, decided to provoke Russia to that extent the rest of NATO would crush the idea in a vote.
It’s much more likely that Putin is simply not prepared to allow Ukraine to go it’s own way in terms of EU membership or anything else that further distances it from Russia’s economic and political sphere of influence.
I have no idea if Putin intends invade and neither does anyone else.
17 Feb 22
@kevcvs57 saidInvading Russia is logistically impossible. Or, at least, a feat best left to madmen.
Are you seriously saying NATO and / or the US is stupid enough to invade Russia or even that Putin thinks that is a credible threat.
I understand that Russia has every reason to be wary of Ukraine joining NATO but that’s not going to happen because it needs to be a unanimous decision and even if the US and their bitch, the UK, decided to provoke Russia to that extent the re ...[text shortened]... political sphere of influence.
I have no idea if Putin intends invade and neither does anyone else.
But Russia does feel threatened.
And history is on their side. They have been threatened and invaded with milions and millions of deaths.
All ultimately failing, of course.
17 Feb 22
@shavixmir saidIt’s still a shame that a relatively small country that suffered with and at least as much as the Russians during WWII and before that under Stalin has to pay for Russia’s peace of mind with their sovereignty.
Invading Russia is logistically impossible. Or, at least, a feat best left to madmen.
But Russia does feel threatened.
And history is on their side. They have been threatened and invaded with milions and millions of deaths.
All ultimately failing, of course.
Something else just occurred to me, even if the US and UK are stupid enough to attack Russia over Ukraine there is no onus on the rest of NATO to join them. The NATO alliance responsibilities only kick in if someone attacks a NATO member.