@AverageJoe1
Funny how I asked a question like that and all you can do is deflect with whatabouthism. I was talking about the fact Trump is in deep doo doo legally and you said you would not vote for him if he is convicted and now we have at least three convictions and you of course will still vote for him.
@AverageJoe1
So plotting and acting to overthrow the government and peaceful transfer of power is not an insurrection. So what do YOU call it? I assume you think Trump is totally innocent of involvement in this 'insurrection' which is what most people call it.
Is Trump involved in this attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power in the US?
The house voted it was not an insurrection but that doesn't make it not an insurrection:
https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2024/02/06/trump-did-not-engage-in-insurrection-on-jan-6-new-u-s-house-resolution-claims/
Trump himself says it was an insurrection, just caused by Nancy Polosi 🙂
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-jan-6-insurrection-1234964730/
AMAZING, I thought it was Trump who said 'be there, it will be wild' or some such. And tell me how the insurrectionists knew to say 'Hang Mike Pence'? Considering at that point in time the electoral vote hadn't even taken place and there was no way of knowing Pence would not do what Trump instructed which is to accept the fake electors. You maybe could see Hand Pence sentiment AFTER the vote but they were told in a Trump tweet ahead of time Pence was a Trump traitor and was not going to do the right thing, so Trump ordered the death of his own VP.
But of COURSE all this was due to Nancy Pelosi, right?
@wildgrass saidHaha, wadda cop out.
Tap out wajoma.
Size of government is measured by spending. You just changed the definition of a universally accepted term and then pretended to win an argument.
Get outta here. Tap out. Throw in the towel. You big goobermint stooge.
You know there's a cost in coming up with laws, writing them and then enforcing laws, and the more intrusive those laws the greater the cost of enforcement. You do understand that right.
I'm sure the North Korean goobermint runs on a fraction of the cost of the US goobermint but no sane person would call them small goobermint. So, that was an easy one.
Of course this is just a cop out to get out of responding to the 'other stuff'. Could see that coming miles off, but it's no surprise wildgrass has been dodging from the start.
@wajoma saidI think the term you're looking for is 'limits'. Sometimes the limits are unrelated to their size, as evidenced by your examples. Does N Korea have a minimum wage???
Haha, wadda cop out.
You know there's a cost in coming up with laws, writing them and then enforcing laws, and the more intrusive those laws the greater the cost of enforcement. You do understand that right.
I'm sure the North Korean goobermint runs on a fraction of the cost of the US goobermint but no sane person would call them small goobermint. So, that was an easy ...[text shortened]... '. Could see that coming miles off, but it's no surprise wildgrass has been dodging from the start.
I want to smaller govt. You don't.
Prolly you don't know but the trump administration oversaw massive government expansion including the 3rd highest number of federal employees as a percent of total jobs ever. Number 1 and 2 were WW2 and Vietnam.
Conservatism is very very expensive.
Edit: lol I looked it up. The minimum wage in n Korea is the equivalent of 50 cents a month. Smaller government according to you 😂
@wildgrass said50 cents a month? That's more than Singapore, which has not collapsed into anarchy despite wildgrass's scare stories.
I think the term you're looking for is 'limits'. Sometimes the limits are unrelated to their size, as evidenced by your examples. Does N Korea have a minimum wage???
I want to smaller govt. You don't.
Prolly you don't know but the trump administration oversaw massive government expansion including the 3rd highest number of federal employees as a percent of total jobs ...[text shortened]... minimum wage in n Korea is the equivalent of 50 cents a month. Smaller government according to you 😂
Your continued glib dodges are obvious.
BTW the word is laws, not 'limits', all these ridiculous diversions.
@wajoma saidsize! wajoma, get with it.
50 cents a month? That's more than Singapore, which has not collapsed into anarchy despite wildgrass's scare stories.
Your continued glib dodges are obvious.
BTW the word is laws, not 'limits', all these ridiculous diversions.
The point was that minimum wage numbers don't correlate with govwrnment size. In the US a higher minimum wage shrinks the government..I don't know how you disagree.
@wildgrass saidJust to be clear, you've abandoned the idea that there's a minimum wage to ward off the anarchy bogeyman.
size! wajoma, get with it.
The point was that minimum wage numbers don't correlate with govwrnment size.
Is this correct?
In reply to the late edit: "In the US a higher minimum wage shrinks the government..I don't know how you disagree."
This is not the case, every intervention by the goobermint requires laws, a buratcracy and enforcement, all laws are backed by the threat of force, the greater the intervention the more enforcement is required and the greater the cost of enforcement.
@wajoma said
Just to be clear, you've abandoned the idea that there's a minimum wage to ward off the anarchy bogeyman.
Is this correct?
In reply to the late edit: "In the US a higher minimum wage shrinks the government..I don't know how you disagree."
This is not the case, every intervention by the goobermint requires laws, a buratcracy and enforcement, all laws are backe ...[text shortened]... e greater the intervention the more enforcement is required and the greater the cost of enforcement.
Just to be clear, you've abandoned the idea that there's a minimum wage to ward off the anarchy bogeyman.
No. Minimum wage staves off runaway government benefits spending. That was the original concept from the 1930s.
Your idea was to decrease benefits. This is impossible, for all the reasons already stated. The only conceivable way that would happen is a complete collapse of the US government.
Both things (increased minimum wage or decreased benefits) would shrink the size of government. Only one of them is a practical option.
..the greater the intervention the more enforcement is required and the greater the cost of enforcement.
No again. Just no. This would maybe be true for things like more building codes or whatever, but we already have a minimum wage. Increasing the number does not change the amount of money required for enforcement by a single penny. It saves billions of tax dollars on benefits programs though.
All Paul Ryan wanted to do was increase the retirement age from 65 to 67. He had all the numbers showing how that would reduce spending, limit government bloat and lead to a more sustainable future for the country without having to raise taxes. It was exactly what all the conservatives wanted from a fiscally responsible government.
The Republican party asked him to resign.
@wildgrass saidExcept for those places that have no minimum rate and no runaway goobermint benefits spending.Just to be clear, you've abandoned the idea that there's a minimum wage to ward off the anarchy bogeyman.
No. Minimum wage staves off runaway government benefits spending.
Except for those places?
@wildgrass saidGoobermint get out of the retirement business all together let individuals decide when they want to retire. for some it's 67 for others it 65 or any other number free individuals decide for themselves.
All Paul Ryan wanted to do was increase the retirement age from 65 to 67. He had all the numbers showing how that would reduce spending, limit government bloat and lead to a more sustainable future for the country without having to raise taxes. It was exactly what all the conservatives wanted from a fiscally responsible government.
The Republican party asked him to resign.
Another buratcracy gone, goobermint decreased in size, scope and spending.
@wajoma said100 wajoma's in the US senate and the US government still could not reform entitlement spending. It's been tried but always career ending. It's just not possible.
Except for those places that have no minimum rate and no runaway goobermint benefits spending.
Except for those places?
I get that you can imagine it. It may exist in an alternative reality. Your idealistic view of the political situation in the USA reminds me of John Lennon's ideas about world peace. Yeah, just imagine everyone living in peace and harmony without trouble or war.
The real numbers shake out. Increasing the minimum wage will shrink government. That explains my support for it.
@wildgrass saidNo imagination required there are places without a minimum that do not have 'runaway goobermint benefit' spending. What does require imagination is the catastrophes you dream up.
100 wajoma's in the US senate and the US government still could not reform entitlement spending. It's been tried but always career ending. It's just not possible.
I get that you can imagine it. It may exist in an alternative reality. Your idealistic view of the political situation in the USA reminds me of John Lennon's ideas about world peace. Yeah, just imagine everyone ...[text shortened]... bers shake out. Increasing the minimum wage will shrink government. That explains my support for it.
We haven't even gotten onto the people thrown out of work because Co's can't afford them anymore who now end up on goobermint programs meaning an increase in spending.
@wajoma saidBill Clinton the liberal Democrat is the hero you didn't know you had.
Goobermint get out of the retirement business all together let individuals decide when they want to retire. for some it's 67 for others it 65 or any other number free individuals decide for themselves.
Another buratcracy gone, goobermint decreased in size, scope and spending.