Can you nail down Palestine, make it an entity????

@no1marauder said
Has has been explained to you at least several times on this board, the non-binding General Assembly resolution regarding partition of Palestine was never implemented.

Palestine was never part of the British Empire, it was held by that power under a League of Nations mandate. And they simply left on May 14, 1948; they did not partition the country.

You are just playing with words. Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire until they lost the war to the British in 1917, when it came under British rule or mandate. The UN passed the Partition Plan. The fact that the Palestinians did not accept the partition means nothing. It was partitioned and the Jews set up an independent state of Israel in 1948.

@rajk999 said
You are just playing with words. Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire until they lost the war to the British in 1917, when it came under British rule or mandate. The UN passed the Partition Plan. The fact that the Palestinians did not accept the partition means nothing. It was partitioned and the Jews set up an independent state of Israel in 1948.

You repeating your ignorance doesn't make it any less ignorant. From GA Resolution 181:

"The General Assembly,

"Recommends to the United Kingdom, as the mandatory Power for Palestine, and to all other Members of the United Nations the adoption and implementation, with regard to the future government of Palestine, of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union set out below;

Requests that

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

https://web.archive.org/web/20171010090147/https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253

Does that sound like something that was binding on the Palestinian People? And it was a General Assembly resolution and:

"As the UN’s main policy-making body, the General Assembly is where all Member States have an equal vote on the full spectrum of issues before it, including matters related to peace and security.

Although its resolutions are non-binding, “they make a political declaration on the part of the majority of members of the international community,” he said."

https://news.un.org/en/interview/2023/11/1143847

The Zionists set up an independent State by force ignoring the will of the Palestinian People hundreds of thousands of whom were driven out of the conquered area and never allowed to return.

Until you get the basic facts straight, you'll never understand the moral issues involved.

@rajk999 said
That is not an issue. Indigenous Arabs did own land in that region, just like many other nationalities. What they did not have is control over that territory.

So, you are saying it’s a country now then?
With an elected government, international recognition, etc.

Or, are you going to change your definitions again?

@shavixmir said
So, you are saying it’s a country now then?
With an elected government, international recognition, etc.

Or, are you going to change your definitions again?

No they are not a country. Individuals can own land ie have a title deed and ownership etc, but they are still under British rule.... their currency and stamps have the Queen on it. There is a British Governor and elected members of the British Empire. Of course locals are invited to particepate in the parliament but they do not have full control of the territory which remains under the British Empire.

@no1marauder said
You repeating your ignorance doesn't make it any less ignorant. From GA Resolution 181:

"The General Assembly,

"Recommends to the United Kingdom, as the mandatory Power for Palestine, and to all other Members of the United Nations the adoption and implementation, with regard to the future government of Palestine, of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union ...[text shortened]... eturn.

Until you get the basic facts straight, you'll never understand the moral issues involved.

Sounds like the Partition Plan was passed and it was the Palestinians who did violated the terms and conditions of the plan. They wanted the war, and they got it.

@rajk999 said
Sounds like the Partition Plan was passed and it was the Palestinians who did violated the terms and conditions of the plan. They wanted the war, and they got it.

You can't violate the terms of something that someone else passes and you never agree to.

The Zionists were already at war with anyone in Palestine who did not share their ambitions for a Zionist State there.

@rajk999 said
No they are not a country. Individuals can own land ie have a title deed and ownership etc, but they are still under British rule.... their currency and stamps have the Queen on it. There is a British Governor and elected members of the British Empire. Of course locals are invited to particepate in the parliament but they do not have full control of the territory which remains under the British Empire.

Hahaha

@no1marauder said
You can't violate the terms of something that someone else passes and you never agree to.

The Zionists were already at war with anyone in Palestine who did not share their ambitions for a Zionist State there.

Well, the Palestinians lost out big time .. an opportunity never to return. Most of the world accepted Israel as a bonafide state subsequent to the Partition Plan passed by the UN., and condemned the Arabs for starting the war. Had they been peaceful and not so full of hatred they would have been a prosperous state alongside Israel.

Wiki has the details:

Eleven minutes after midnight, the United States de facto recognized the State of Israel.[22] This was followed by Iran (which had voted against the UN partition plan), Guatemala, Iceland, Nicaragua, Romania, and Uruguay. The Soviet Union was the first nation to fully recognize Israel de jure on 17 May 1948,[23] followed by Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ireland, and South Africa.[citation needed] The United States extended official recognition after the first Israeli election, as Truman had promised on 31 January 1949.[24] By virtue of General Assembly Resolution 273 (III), Israel was admitted to membership in the United Nations on 11 May 1949.[25]

In the three years following the 1948 Palestine war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel, residing mainly along the borders and in former Arab lands.[26] Around 136,000 were some of the 250,000 displaced Jews of World War II.[27] And from the 1948 Arab–Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951; and 600,000 by 1972.[28][29][30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence#:~:text=The%20Soviet%20Union%20was%20the,promised%20on%2031%20January%201949.

@rajk999 said
Well, the Palestinians lost out big time .. an opportunity never to return. Most of the world accepted Israel as a bonafide state subsequent to the Partition Plan passed by the UN., and condemned the Arabs for starting the war. Had they been peaceful and not so full of hatred they would have been a prosperous state alongside Israel.

Wiki has the details:

[i]Eleven mi ...[text shortened]... ration_of_Independence#:~:text=The%20Soviet%20Union%20was%20the,promised%20on%2031%20January%201949.

No, "most of the world" didn't. If the UN was representative of the People of the world in 1948 it would have never accepted the events of 1948, but at the time the UN was only the West, a few free Third World nations and the imprisoned Soviet bloc.

Now 138 nations accept Palestine as an independent State and Israel's occupation and oppression of the Palestinians meets almost world wide condemnation.

Your ignorance, or more likely outright prevarication, is appalling. The Zionists in Palestine had been waging outright war for years before 1948, including tying up British forces who might have been a bit more useful fighting the Nazis during WWII. Blaming everything on the Arabs because of your prejudices, fueled by your religious fanaticism, is contemptible.

@no1marauder said
No, "most of the world" didn't. If the UN was representative of the People of the world in 1948 it would have never accepted the events of 1948, but at the time the UN was only the West, a few free Third World nations and the imprisoned Soviet bloc.

Now 138 nations accept Palestine as an independent State and Israel's occupation and oppression of the Palestinians meet ...[text shortened]... thing on the Arabs because of your prejudices, fueled by your religious fanaticism, is contemptible.

From the Wiki page I already posted, here are the countries that accepted Israel subsequent to the partition, and its hardly just a handful.

On 11 May 1949, the UN General Assembly, by the requisite two-thirds majority of its then-58 members, approved the application to admit Israel to the UN by General Assembly Resolution 273.[17][18] The vote in the General Assembly was 37 to 12, with 9 abstentions. Those that voted in favour of Israel were: Argentina, Australia, Bolivia, the Byelorussian SSR, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, the Philippines, Poland, the Ukrainian SSR, South Africa, the Soviet Union, the United States, Uruguay, Venezuela, and Yugoslavia. Those that voted against were six of the then-seven members of the Arab League (Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen) as well as Afghanistan, Burma, Ethiopia, India, Iran, and Pakistan. Those abstaining were: Belgium, Brazil, Denmark, El Salvador, Greece, Siam, Sweden, Turkey, and the United Kingdom.[19] Many of the countries that voted in favour or had abstained had already recognized Israel before the UN vote, at least on a de facto basis. Of these countries, Cuba and Venezuela have since withdrawn recognition.

Nobody cares about world opinion right now particularly not Israel. Nobody had to put up with a bunch of killers on their border... thankfully not for long ... and Yes I hate terrorists and their supporters. Its weird that you dont and you seem to support these murderers.

@rajk999 said
From the Wiki page I already posted, here are the countries that accepted Israel subsequent to the partition, and its hardly just a handful.

[i]On 11 May 1949, the UN General Assembly, by the requisite two-thirds majority of its then-58 members, approved the application to admit Israel to the UN by General Assembly Resolution 273.[17][18] The vote in the General Assembly w ...[text shortened]... e terrorists and their supporters. Its weird that you dont and you seem to support these murderers.

Idiots like yourself have to make spurious claims like others support "murderers" because they do not approve of Israel's oppression, occupation and War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity of the Palestinian People. That seems to be your only way to excuse your murderous wrath directed at Muslims in particular because of your religious fanaticism.

I condemn all crimes against international law by any person or faction; you don't. So who's the one who actually "supports murderers'?

@vivify said
" Can you nail down Palestine, make it an entity????"

Palestine has been a nation of Arabs for 1,400 years. What point are you trying to make?

Vivify you make liberals look bad. Can you then answer the questions?
Here is a classice example of changing a thread. Vivify asks what point that I, AverageJoe, am trying to make? What in the hell? Is it possible that Vivify will re-read the post and respond thereto? Can it actually happen? Will someone pull for him?

@no1marauder said
Idiots like yourself have to make spurious claims like others support "murderers" because they do not approve of Israel's oppression, occupation and War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity of the Palestinian People. That seems to be your only way to excuse your murderous wrath directed at Muslims in particular because of your religious fanaticism.

I condemn all crimes ...[text shortened]... ational law by any person or faction; you don't. So who's the one who actually "supports murderers'?

It is contrary to the Geneva Convention to place military installations on protected sites like schools, hospitals and places of worship. It is a crime against humanity to use children as human shields. Yet this is MO of Hamas. I have never seen you condemn them for doing that. Supporters of Hamas like you and some others here are despicable human beings.

@mchill said
Q: What year did the nation of Palestine come into existence?
A: The present-day state of Palestine came into existence in the late 40's.

Q: Where were its National Borders?
A: Jordan in the east and Israel in the west.

Q: What year did it cease to exist?
A: It's still there, so this question makes no sense.

Q: What currency did the Nation of Palestine use? .and ...[text shortened]... is your usual unintelligible word salad with poor spelling, poor punctuation, and childish comments.

Why did you interchange my word 'Nation' with the word State? That is no answer. And Palestine includes parts of Israel, which is to say Canada can include parts of he uSA. Fall on your face. There is no Nation of Palestine. It is a dreamworld.

National BOrders???? You seem to say the borders of 'palestine' wrap around and intertwined with other coounties, like Israel. Do they know that!?!? I dont think so.

Didn't cease to exist because it was never there.

They use Shekels>. Like we would use pesos or the canadian dollar? What?

Yasin was president of Iraq, my 9 year old even knows that. We are talking about the non-existent country of Palestine, not Iraq.

You sound Angry. Try again.

A: I don't know if your making statements or asking questions here.

Obviously.