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Originally posted by FMF
What is clear is that you are misusing the word.
Is it important? I think it's not. Just a matter of a word.

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
Is it important? I think it's not. Just a matter of a word.
You are mischaracterizing the geopolitcal policies of China. You are creating a false contrast with Japan. You are flying in the face of history. You are flying in the face of economics. You are willfully abusing language and are too lazy and proud to correct yourself when it is pointed out to you. You are flying in the face of human knowledge and communication. You are applying the frozen touch of death to meaningful discourse. Apart from these things, it is not so important. 😀

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Originally posted by FMF
You are mischaracterizing the geopolitcal policies of China. You are creating a false contrast with Japan. You are flying in the face of history. You are flying in the face of economics. You are willfully abusing language and are too lazy and proud to correct yourself when it is pointed out to you. You are flying in the face of human knowledge and communication. ...[text shortened]... frozen touch of death to meaningful discourse. Apart from these things, it is not so important.
Well, I'm only stating my opinion, nothing more. This is not a matter who is right and who is wrong. You have your opinion, I have mine. Not a big deal. Let's see in the future how it really turned out.

"Apart from these things, it is not so important"
Agree.

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Originally posted by FMF
You are mischaracterizing the geopolitcal policies of China. You are creating a false contrast with Japan. You are flying in the face of history. You are flying in the face of economics. You are willfully abusing language and are too lazy and proud to correct yourself when it is pointed out to you. You are flying in the face of human knowledge and communication. ...[text shortened]... frozen touch of death to meaningful discourse. Apart from these things, it is not so important.
More verbal diarrhea.

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
Well, I'm only stating my opinion, nothing more.
Yes. You described how China is taking the non-expansionistic route. It is behaviour that I welcome. You seem to have misgivings. U.S. "investment" in South America came part and parcel with murderous dictatorships, ideological purges, U.S. Marines' boots on the ground, lecturers and activists in gaol and mass graves behind the schools. China is far more apolitical and unideological in its 'inteference' and it is investing in major infrastructure too - as have the Japanese since WW2. Something the U.S. has done little of in the past. Thank goodness China is not taking the expansionistic road.

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Originally posted by FMF
You are mischaracterizing the geopolitcal policies of China. You are creating a false contrast with Japan. You are flying in the face of history. You are flying in the face of economics. You are willfully abusing language and are too lazy and proud to correct yourself when it is pointed out to you. You are flying in the face of human knowledge and communication. ...[text shortened]... frozen touch of death to meaningful discourse. Apart from these things, it is not so important.
Good Heavens, FabianFnas! I had no idea you were such a miscreant.

Hands up all those in favor of flogging FabianFnas publicly for the crime of willfully "flying in the face of economics"!

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Originally posted by FMF
Yes. You described how China is taking the non-expansionistic route. It is behaviour that I welcome. You seem to have misgivings. U.S. "investment" in South America came part and parcel with murderous dictatorships, ideological purges, U.S. Marines' boots on the ground, lecturers and activists in gaol and mass graves behind the schools. China is far more apoliti ...[text shortened]... has done little of in the past. Thank goodness China is not taking the expansionistic road.
Why don't you just dry up in Indonesia?

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
With property prices rising so fast, the question is not if, but when the crash will come. But I agree with you, China has a fairly small GDP per capita, so long-term you would think it still should show considerable growth. I expect the next financial world crisis to be about the Chinese property/stock market bubble and Japan's rising debt, though.

...[text shortened]... cularly in science. The Chinese are already learning English (poorly, but they are doing it).
Greek was established as a 'global' language ... the Romans used it ... but then eventually Latin took over. Then to some extent Italian during the Ottoman Empire .......... Fench was the language of diplomacy and a Lingua Franca to some extent before being overtaken by English.

Portugese and Spanish can also lay claim to have beeen Lingua Franca at some time.

What makes you think that English is here forever?

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Originally posted by FMF
Yes. You described how China is taking the non-expansionistic route. It is behaviour that I welcome. You seem to have misgivings. U.S. "investment" in South America came part and parcel with murderous dictatorships, ideological purges, U.S. Marines' boots on the ground, lecturers and activists in gaol and mass graves behind the schools. China is far more apoliti has done little of in the past. Thank goodness China is not taking the expansionistic road.
You make the paralell, not me. I discuss China, not USA. If I do, this thread will go off-topic in no-time.

My opinion is, that sooner or later China will be world dominating. It will certainly take over the role from USA when the time is ripe. In my opinion, China prepares for that as we speak. But they are not in a hurry, the day will come eventually. That's my opinion.

(Do I need to repeat myself "This is my opinion"?)

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There's a lot of futurology going on in this thread. I'll do a throwing of the bones and will be back with you shortly.

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
Perhaps we have different definition of the word 'expansionistic'.

I think 'expansionistic' means that a country is trying to dominate over more and more nations, territory, and people in the world. Countries is in heavy debts to China, meaning that they control these countries. If they want. And (in my opinion) China want.

Militarily China wants Ta ...[text shortened]... aps Mongolia). So they are expansionalistic in a peaceful way.

It's all about control.
mongolia has two borders, and the other one is with russia.

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Originally posted by spruce112358
Good Heavens, FabianFnas! I had no idea you were such a miscreant.

Hands up all those in favor of flogging FabianFnas publicly for the crime of willfully "flying in the face of economics"!

😉
you just want to hold the stick! 😠

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
Greek was established as a 'global' language ... the Romans used it ... but then eventually Latin took over. Then to some extent Italian during the Ottoman Empire .......... Fench was the language of diplomacy and a Lingua Franca to some extent before being overtaken by English.

Portugese and Spanish can also lay claim to have beeen Lingua Franca at some time.

What makes you think that English is here forever?
ha!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters

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http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1017305

China may be hiding US Treasury bonds: experts
P. PARAMESWARAN
February 26, 2010

China, a top owner of US government debt, appears to be secretly buying bonds via third locations to hide its importance as a major creditor to Washington, experts told a congressional forum.

They said China-linked entities may be scooping up US bonds in London, Hong Kong or other locations, pointing out that official data almost certainly understates Beijing's US government debt holdings.

Some say the massive holdings by China have implications for US national security, making it harder for Washington to carry out policies in conflict with Beijing.

The latest figures by the Treasury Department this month showed a drop in China's Treasury bond holdings by 34.2 billion US dollars or 4.3 percent to 755.4 billion US dollars in December, the biggest decline in about a decade.

Simon Johnson, a former IMF chief economist, suggested that China could be behind the big jump in Britain's holdings of US debt to 300 billion US dollars in 2009 from 130.9 billion US dollars a year earlier.

He said he was baffled by the figure as Britain had run a substantial current account deficit last year.

"A great deal of this increase may be due to China placing offshore US dollars in London-based banks -- Chinese, UK, or even US -- which then buy US securities," Johnson told a hearing of the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission, which monitors for Congress the security implications of US-China trade and economic relations.

China may also be purchasing US securities through routes other than Britain, said Johnson, who is now a professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

"The US Treasury data almost certainly understate Chinese holdings of our government debt because they do not reveal the ultimate country of ownership when instruments are held through an intermediary in another jurisdiction," he said.

Johnson said "a reasonable working assumption" showed that China owns close to one trillion US dollars of US Treasury securities -- nearly half of the stock of treasuries in the hands of "foreign official" owners, which was 2.374 trillion US dollars at the end of 2009.

"It is all but certain that some purchases made by agents in Britain and Hong Kong were on behalf of SAFE" or the State Administration of Foreign Exchange, the secretive Chinese state agency that buys foreign bonds, said Derek Scissors, an Asia economic policy expert at the Washington-based Heritage Foundation.

He said the more than doubling of Treasury bond purchases by Britain and Hong Kong "makes sense" for China as it had to park its huge chest of foreign exchange reserves.

"These cannot be spent at home and are too large to put anywhere other than the United States. No other country has financial markets capable of absorbing them," Scissors said.

"To hide the unavoidable extent of China's exposure to low-yield American bonds and try to avoid domestic flak, SAFE is routing money through third countries," he said.

China accumulated 453 billion US dollars in additional foreign exchange reserves in 2009, bringing the total reserves to a record 2.399 trillion US dollars at the end of December, latest Chinese government figures showed.

Many analysts argue that any threat by China to shift a large portion of its reserves out of US government paper is just bluster as such a move would impose huge costs on China itself.

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
ha!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters
Children in China manage to learn chinese characters pretty well. Why wouldn't we.

The genious with the Chinese characters is that more than a billion people can read the same characters, no matter what language they speak. If they don't understand the spoken language, they can always understand the written language, no matter where in China you are. A global character language a là Chinese could in fact unite all people globally.
With our alphabet it's not possible.

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