31 Mar 11
Originally posted by WajomaSpeaking of which... "...a whiff of corruption and [companies are] gone so they keep it straight...". Wow. So that's why there's no corruption or corner cutting out there in the real world!! Er, no... wait.
That's an opinion that does not match reality...
31 Mar 11
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Originally posted by FMFand there's no corruption and corner cutting in your beloved state regulators...er no wait.
Speaking of which... "...a whiff of corruption and [companies are] gone so they keep it straight...". Wow. So that's why there's no corruption or corner cutting out there in the real world!! Er, no... wait.
Edit: Woowwweeee
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by WajomaIt's the standards that count. The labels are about the standards. Let people who produce food without labels and/or that don't conform to standards try to sell it on the black market. Make it illegal to sell it but legal to buy it, so that your freedom as a consumer is not infringed upon.
All those that like reading labels can search out products with labels.
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by FMFSo here it is, thousands of friendly street side stalls shut down, an army of unproductive parasitical inspectors created...oh and a lot of hungry people.
It's the standards that count. The labels are about the standards. Let people who produce food without labels and/or that don't conform to standards try to sell it on the black market. Make it illegal to sell it but legal to buy it, so that your freedom as a consumer is not infringed upon.
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by WajomaPlenty of corruption going on out there. That's right. We can vote out the regulators who allow substandard or dangerous food to be labelled as being something other than what it is. If you stand for election as regulator, I won't vote for you. If you set up a private certification company I won't trust it. If companies go out of business because of the expense of labelling, they probably have no business producing food for human consumption. If you just don't like reading labels, and you are free not to, then why should other consumers care about you?
and there's no corruption and corner cutting in your beloved state regulators...er no wait.
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by FMFHaha, if I stand for election as regulator, oh man that's a good one, you might not be quite understanding something here.
Plenty of corruption going on out there. That's right. We can vote out the regulators who allow substandard or dangerous food to be labelled as being something other than what it is. If you stand for election as regulator, I won't vote for you. If you set up a private certification company I won't trust it. If companies go out of business because of the expense ...[text shortened]... ike reading labels, and you are free not to, then why should other consumers care about you?
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by WajomaThousands of friendly street side stalls shut down? Not here. People mostly stick to the rules here where I live. Cheats and the negligent make the news. And get prosecuted. It's a healthy kind of market pressure. Much better than thousands suffering from food poisoning. Loads of food out there. And not as many inspectors as you probably think. But I understand why you make it into a caricature.
So here it is, thousands of friendly street side stalls shut down, an army of unproductive parasitical inspectors created...oh and a lot of hungry people.
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by FMFYou'd be free not to trust my certification company. That's fine by me.
Plenty of corruption going on out there. That's right. We can vote out the regulators who allow substandard or dangerous food to be labelled as being something other than what it is. If you stand for election as regulator, I won't vote for you. If you set up a private certification company I won't trust it. If companies go out of business because of the expense ...[text shortened]... ike reading labels, and you are free not to, then why should other consumers care about you?
Do you see what you said there?
You'd be free not to use those services, pay for those services, believe in those services, participate in those services.
Do you see it?
Look, look, look, you'll experience a revelation.
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by WajomaI understand perfectly. You don't seek election. You don't produce food - but if you did you'd want to be free to produce poison while being free not to warn anyone. You don't want the government enforcing health and safety standards. Your stances are out there in the marketplace of ideas, Wajoma.
Haha, if I stand for election as regulator, oh man that's a good one, you might not be quite understanding something here.
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by FMFYou can't be living in Indonesia then, because if the same standards were applied there as, say, for eg Australia, there would indeed be thousands of businesses SHUT DOWN.
Thousands of friendly street side stalls shut down? Not here. People mostly stick to the rules here where I live. Cheats and the negligent make the news. And get prosecuted. It's a healthy kind of market pressure. Much better than thousands suffering from food poisoning. Loads of food out there. And not as many inspectors as you probably think. But I understand why you make it into a caricature.
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by WajomaI am also free to oppose you imposing your mechanism on society. I favour the government handling it. Better than your solution. Better than no mechanism at all.
You'd be free not to trust my certification company. That's fine by me.
Do you see what you said there?
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by FMFTrue, I don't stake a claim on the other fellow, because that is what society is comprised of 'others', other people living their own lives.
I am also free to oppose you imposing your mechanism on society. I favour the government handling it. Better than your solution. Better than no mechanism at all.
You do. Your claim on society is presumptuous and ugly.
31 Mar 11
Originally posted by WajomaYou want food safety standards in Australia to change to become the same as Indonesia's standard ?
You can't be living in Indonesia then, because if the same standards were applied there as, say, for eg Australia, there would indeed be thousands of businesses SHUT DOWN.