07 May 22
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@no1marauder saidWell I went to their website and it says nothing about unification or otherwise, but if you cannot see a rejection of the divisive tribal one issue politics by people from both sides of the divide as a positive thing then that’s not my problem.
Alliance is the opposite of seeing the People of Northern Ireland as "Europeans": "The distinguishing feature of Alliance is its belief in the legitimacy of a distinctive Northern Ireland community, one that has more in common than what divides it, with most inhabitants speaking a common language, sharing some form of Christianity, and not separated by distinguishable rac ...[text shortened]... ccupied part of Ireland ever since (well in the rather few years the UK even allowed a NI Assembly).
Once that stops being the day to day issue and people just vote in their best interest regardless of nationalist loyalties I believe they’ll vote for reunification and immersion into the wider European community.
Sein Fein are never going to get enough of the traditional loyalist voters to vote for them and by consequence unification but any party that can drag voters away from the toxic unionist mind set has got to be a good thing.
07 May 22
@kevcvs57 saidExpecting a majority of the population of Occupied Ireland, which was created by ethnic cleansing and other Crimes Against Humanity, is probably a pipe dream.
Well I went to their website and it says nothing about unification or otherwise, but if you cannot see a rejection of the divisive tribal one issue politics by people from both sides of the divide as a positive thing then that’s not my problem.
Once that stops being the day to day issue and people just vote in their best interest regardless of nationalist loyalties I believ ...[text shortened]... but any party that can drag voters away from the toxic unionist mind set has got to be a good thing.
The border areas have repeatedly shown that they favor unification and most of them should never have been included in Ulster anyway. These should be reintegrated into Ireland ASAP.
08 May 22
@no1marauder saidIt’s a maasive win for Sinn Fein:
This is looking more and more like a vote for a kinder, gentler Unionism in Occupied Ireland than any great victory for unification.
“ Sinn Féin will be the largest party in the Northern Ireland Assembly for the first time, pushing the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) into second place.
Sinn Féin has 27 seats, compared to the DUP's 25.
The result means Michelle O'Neill will be entitled to become first minister - unprecedented for a nationalist.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-61355419
A very interesting result.
Don’t get me wrong, I still don’t see unification as a result of this (as I said: The Republic isn’t really wanting to inheret the DUP and their ilk).
Sinn Fein would need to order a border poll.
But to form a government they need the DUP (second largest party now) to agree to work together (and give a deputy first minister). If Sinn Fein orders a border poll, they certainly won’t.
If the DUP doesn’t offer a deputy, then according to the Good Friday agreement, the UK steps in and takes control.
So, the unionists have a choice… work with Sinn Fein or give complete control back to the UK.
If unificiation is on the actual table, what do you think they’ll do?
08 May 22
@shavixmir saidSein Fein has the same number of seats it had after the last election. How is that a "massive win"?
It’s a maasive win for Sinn Fein:
“ Sinn Féin will be the largest party in the Northern Ireland Assembly for the first time, pushing the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) into second place.
Sinn Féin has 27 seats, compared to the DUP's 25.
The result means Michelle O'Neill will be entitled to become first minister - unprecedented for a nationalist.”
https://www.bbc.co ...[text shortened]... plete control back to the UK.
If unificiation is on the actual table, what do you think they’ll do?
No, the DUP won't nominate anyone and the UK will be back in with direct rule.
08 May 22
@no1marauder saidBecause they, a pro-republican party, have the most seats and determine the first minister.
Sein Fein has the same number of seats it had after the last election. How is that a "massive win"?
No, the DUP won't nominate anyone and the UK will be back in with direct rule.
In 101 years that’s not happened.
08 May 22
@shavixmir saidIt appears that the Republican bloc went from 42 seats to 36 as the SDLP lost 4 seats and the Greens both of theirs.
Because they, a pro-republican party, have the most seats and determine the first minister.
In 101 years that’s not happened.
I'd repeat my analysis and say it was a victory for the "kinder, gentler, we won't even talk about unification" Unionism of Alliance rather than a win for SF or Republicanism in general.
08 May 22
@shavixmir saidIt's even more useless than I first thought:
Because they, a pro-republican party, have the most seats and determine the first minister.
In 101 years that’s not happened.
"The Northern Ireland Assembly must meet within eight days so the newly elected legislators can take their seats. Assembly members will then choose a Speaker, followed by the nomination of ministers, starting with the first and deputy first ministers.
If, as seems likely, no executive can be formed because the DUP refuses, ministers from the previous government will stay in power and basic governance can continue — though ministers are barred from making major or controversial decisions.
If there is still no executive after 24 weeks, a new election must be held."
https://apnews.com/article/[WORD TOO LONG]