01 Aug 21
@shavixmir saidSure, they can stay at home and have food and other necessities brought to them. They can stay safe and stay at home while the rest of us live our lives, getting sick and for the most part recovering. You know, like things have always been.
For the elderly?
01 Aug 21
@mchill saidThe answer is of course no. I figured it was self evident. But hey, if you have been trained to to be told what to believe instead of thinking for yourself, I spoon fed you the right answer.
Is this number of deaths enough of a reason to shut down beaches where kids can get out and enjoy life while getting some exercise in the process?
This question presupposes you have the answer to it. So, tell us professor; what's the answer?
@suzianne saidIt is has been well established for well over a year that COVID spread happens primarily indoors. In an air conditioned indoor environment, it doesn't matter much what month it is.
There are surges across more than 20 states.
And guess what? It's August.
Outdoor spread in hot and sunlight-heavy environments is thought to be greatly decreased.
This paper presents a nice summary.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7496593/
@sh76 saidI didn't find anything there that suggests beaches where social distancing can't be maintained exhibit a "greatly decreased" chance of spread. The article did say the 6 foot social distancing standard may well be insufficient is some environments though.
It is has been well established for well over a year that COVID spread happens primarily indoors. In an air conditioned indoor environment, it doesn't matter much what month it is.
Outdoor spread in hot and sunlight-heavy environments is thought to be greatly decreased.
This paper presents a nice summary.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7496593/
01 Aug 21
@eladar saidWhy are "kids enjoying life" on beaches more important than some people's lives and health?
The answer is of course no. I figured it was self evident. But hey, if you have been trained to to be told what to believe instead of thinking for yourself, I spoon fed you the right answer.
@no1marauder saidWhy? Because the people who are threatened can stay at home and stay safe.
Why are "kids enjoying life" on beaches more important than some people's lives and health?
Those youngsters getting sick and getting better helps make things safer for the elderly in the long run.
What I find pathetic is that you are the same person who supports putting active covid cases into retirement homes. You really care about the health and safety of the elderly. Yes that was sarcasm.
@eladar saidNo, it was a lie, not "sarcasm".
Why? Because the people who are threatened can stay at home and stay safe.
Those youngsters getting sick and getting better helps make things safer for the elderly in the long run.
What I find pathetic is that you are the same person who supports putting active covid cases into retirement homes. You really care about the health and safety of the elderly. Yes that was sarcasm.
The elderly and immunocompromised cannot be hermetically sealed away from the rest of the population. So basically you're sentencing people to death and illness for trivial reasons as well as deliberately exposing children to disease.
The policy right wingers are lying about was to return elderly patients, who did not require hospitalization, to where they lived. It also required nursery homes to isolate them or inform the State Health Department they could not do so. Basically, it's your plan.
And it failed.
@no1marauder saidIf guess you are saying that staying at home and staying safe is impossible. Thanks for clarifying your position.
No, it was a lie, not "sarcasm".
The elderly and immunocompromised cannot be hermetically sealed away from the rest of the population. So basically you're sentencing people to death and illness for trivial reasons as well as deliberately exposing children to disease.
The policy right wingers are lying about was to return elderly patients, who did not require hospita ...[text shortened]... nform the State Health Department they could not do so. Basically, it's your plan.
And it failed.
Yes, I know your claim to care about the health of the elderly is a lie. Anyone who supports putting covid cases into retirement homes does not care. You do support it, to claim that you do not is a lie.
I suppose it helps you to sleep at night believing a lie. I know a I could not live with myself if I believed like you.
I say let the young have a normal life and not be robbed of an education. No School should have been shut down. No School days missed.
@eladar saidSo can the teen-aged rabble.
Why? Because the people who are threatened can stay at home and stay safe.
In fact, so should the teen-aged, hormone-addled rabble have done. And not just for the chinavirus' sake - just because they're a pest in general.
@eladar saidYou and other right wingers lying about other people's positions is now your standard MO.
If guess you are saying that staying at home and staying safe is impossible. Thanks for clarifying your position.
Yes, I know your claim to care about the health of the elderly is a lie. Anyone who supports putting covid cases into retirement homes does not care. You do support it, to claim that you do not is a lie.
I suppose it helps you to sleep at night believing a l ...[text shortened]... life and not be robbed of an education. No School should have been shut down. No School days missed.
@shallow-blue saidSpeaks volumes. You believe the young are just low lives with no right to live a normal life. I am surprised you would be so honest with your bigotry.
So can the teen-aged rabble.
In fact, so should the teen-aged, hormone-addled rabble have done. And not just for the chinavirus' sake - just because they're a pest in general.
@no1marauder saidWow, is your mind so far gone that you forgot about your support for the state of New York's policy of putting covid patients into retirement homes instead of letting them recover in temporary hospitals?
You and other right wingers lying about other people's positions is now your standard MO.
@no1marauder said
I didn't find anything there that suggests beaches where social distancing can't be maintained exhibit a "greatly decreased" chance of spread. The article did say the 6 foot social distancing standard may well be insufficient is some environments though.
Five identified studies found a low proportion of reported global SARS-CoV-2 infections occurred outdoors (<10% ) and the odds of indoor transmission was very high compared to outdoors (18.7 times; 95% confidence interval, 6.0–57.9).
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/223/4/550/6009483