Originally posted by mikelomWhile I don't like it, I think DST is fundamentally a good idea. It makes sense to have more daylight in the evening rather than having the sun rise at 4:00 in the summer.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/12/120309-daylight-savings-time-2012-what-time-is-it-spring-forward-nation/
I guess this post may belong in debates, but seeing as it is scientifically based I have placed here.
I am not a believer in changing the clocks. I believe Greenwich got it wrong in the first place for the UK, and that the atomic clo have opinion about it?
I'm interested to know how many are for, or against, DST.
-m. 😉
If you had +1 all year round, you'd have the sun rising at 8:00 in December. I do not think that would be a very good idea.
29 Jul 12
Originally posted by sh76DST does not affect the amount of daylight whatsoever. All it does is makes everyone that works to a schedule move their schedule 1 hour forward. The real question here is whether moving your schedule is easier than changing your clocks.
While I don't like it, I think DST is fundamentally a good idea. It makes sense to have more daylight in the evening rather than having the sun rise at 4:00 in the summer.
In the modern age of computers etc I believe DST causes more trouble than having different summer and winter schedules for work and school. The latter would also allow more flexibility.
29 Jul 12
Originally posted by sh76But if they changed the clocks so that 7:00am was at midnight, would you actually leave the house then? Why? Because you have to be at work at 8:00 or because you have some special attachment to the time period?
I like to leave the house when it's light outside. I assume most people are the same way. I would guess that most people leave the house between 7 and 8. Setting things up so that this hour is dark is a terrible idea.
29 Jul 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadI don't understand your point. Of course people leave their houses because they have to be at work at X hour. If I have to leave the house at 7:30 it's because that's what my schedule demands. I have to do so whether it's light or dark. That's the societal convention. I appreciate being able to leave my house when it is light outside and would not appreciate having to leave the house when it is dark.
But if they changed the clocks so that 7:00am was at midnight, would you actually leave the house then? Why? Because you have to be at work at 8:00 or because you have some special attachment to the time period?
29 Jul 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadOf course I understand that DST doesn't change the Sun's apparent flight path.
DST does not affect the amount of daylight whatsoever. All it does is makes everyone that works to a schedule move their schedule 1 hour forward. The real question here is whether moving your schedule is easier than changing your clocks.
In the modern age of computers etc I believe DST causes more trouble than having different summer and winter schedules for work and school. The latter would also allow more flexibility.
Assuming you're going to have 16 hours of daylight, it is more efficient to have those hours last from 4 AM to 8 PM or from 5 AM to 9 PM? I think the latter. The 4 to 5 daylight hour will be wasted by most as most people sleep through it. The 8 to 9 PM hour will be used by many who appreciate the daylight during that hour.
29 Jul 12
Originally posted by sh76Why do people sleep through 4 to 5 simply because they are labelled that? Do people in your region not know how to change their alarm clocks?
Assuming you're going to have 16 hours of daylight, it is more efficient to have those hours last from 4 AM to 8 PM or from 5 AM to 9 PM? I think the latter. The 4 to 5 daylight hour will be wasted by most as most people sleep through it. The 8 to 9 PM hour will be used by many who appreciate the daylight during that hour.
Or are you really talking about the work schedule in relation to the daylight.
Note that different parts of the world have different work schedules. Some people start at 7:00 some at 8:00 some at 9:00 etc.
The only reason why DST makes any sense is that people get used to one schedule and they can use it throughout the year whilst actually moving their schedule in relation to daylight hours.
Moving the clocks ahead permanently achieves absolutely nothing.
29 Jul 12
Daylight Saving is more relevant the closer you live to the poles.
For example in Aberdeen the longest day is about 18 hours and the shortest 6 hours. Do you really want dawn at 3a.m.? I'm all in favour of double (triple?) daylight saving.
Daylight saving saves money and makes us all a wee bit happier!
29 Jul 12
Originally posted by wolfgang59What difference does it make whether dawn is at 3 or 4 AM?
Daylight Saving is more relevant the closer you live to the poles.
For example in Aberdeen the longest day is about 18 hours and the shortest 6 hours. Do you really want dawn at 3a.m.? I'm all in favour of double (triple?) daylight saving.
Daylight saving saves money and makes us all a wee bit happier!
29 Jul 12
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Originally posted by twhiteheadIn "my region," the workday starts something like 9 o'clock and the workday ends something like 5:30ish. By and large, the average person stays up until roughly 11 or 12 and then wakes up at around 7. Of course it doesn't have to be this way, but it is. That's the general expected convention. You want the workday to shift based on the season? I suppose that could be done, but it would be terribly confusing and inefficient.
Why do people sleep through 4 to 5 simply because they are labelled that? Do people in your region not know how to change their alarm clocks?
Or are you really talking about the work schedule in relation to the daylight.
Note that different parts of the world have different work schedules. Some people start at 7:00 some at 8:00 some at 9:00 etc.
The on ...[text shortened]... in relation to daylight hours.
Moving the clocks ahead permanently achieves absolutely nothing.
30 Jul 12
Originally posted by sh76It is also a convention that was largely based on daylight hours and would probably be changed if you changed the clocks significantly. It is also a different convention from other parts of the world.
In "my region," the workday starts something like 9 o'clock and the workday ends something like 5:30ish. By and large, the average person stays up until roughly 11 or 12 and then wakes up at around 7. Of course it doesn't have to be this way, but it is. That's the general expected convention.
You want the workday to shift based on the season? I suppose that could be done, but it would be terribly confusing and inefficient.
I think it would be more efficient and less confusing than changing the clocks. But then I have not actually experienced either situation and the only thing I have to deal with is the DST clock shift of other nations when it comes to programming.
30 Jul 12
Originally posted by sh76Some people have trouble adjusting to DST. Some people have trouble going to work when it's still dark. I wouldn't know which one weighs more heavily. Personally I don't think going to work when it's dark is that big a deal, in winter I always go to work when it's dark and come back home when it's dark. Then again I don't have much trouble adjusting to DST either, so maybe my anecdotal case is not very representative. But now that they have switched to summer time permanently in Russia, perhaps researchers can investigate which system is more convenient.
That's the point. It doesn't.
But it does matter whether sunset is 8 or 9 PM.
So if you can make sunset later without practically affecting dawn, then why not do it?