03 Jul 08
Originally posted by pritybettaWhat if you're not saved?
Aww, but if you are saved and you sin it is because the flesh is waring with the spirit that is in you. And you are to repent/turn away from that sin.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If ...[text shortened]... ur Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
What if if you're not saved but don't sin?
03 Jul 08
Originally posted by TheSkipperYo, I like her attitude. Does she play chess? Tell her about the BWA hood.
I happen to know for a fact this is not true. My wife and I are certainly a team, and neither one of us leads the other, we walk arm in arm.
Someone once asked my wife who wears the "pants" in our relationship. I will never forget her response:
"We both wear shorts!"
God, I love her! 😉
03 Jul 08
Originally posted by dryhumpThe question remains. If we're such marvellous creatures as we give
I disagree that war is always a useless conflict. How do you feel about the american revolution? Or any one of dozens of revolutions to throw off the bonds of colonialism? People die horrible deaths everyday without the help of war. I would rather go down fighting for something I believed in than die of dysentary.
ourselves credit for, how come we still feel that wars are "needed"? There
is always a more productive solution, but our hatred, greed, fear,
paranoia and what have you prohibits us from taking the peaceful route
even when we can.
Why, I ask?
In a world where people actually were peace loving (as everyone claims
to be) and everyone really were intelligent (as everyone seems to think
they are) war would never be "necessary". Hence, war is useless and I'm
starting to think that maybe so is human kind.
03 Jul 08
Originally posted by RedmikeWhat are you refering to as "it"? If you are meaning going to heaven then yes, what matters is if you are saved, and YOU can not make yourself saved by anything you do. Christ quickens you from being dead in your sin to spiritual life so that you can seek the Lord. A dead man in his natural sinful state cannot seek the Lord. It is after Christ quickens him that he is able to do the will of the Lord. The works are the result of salvation, not the cause.
Ok, so what you're saying is that everybody sins, it is about whether or not you are saved?
If I do not respond again then it is because I have to go somewhere and will be gone for a day or two. I will provide scripture when I have more time to refrence them.
03 Jul 08
Originally posted by pritybettaI'm not bothered about the scripture, thanks.
What are you refering to as "it"? If you are meaning going to heaven then yes, what matters is if you are saved, and YOU can not make yourself saved by anything you do. Christ quickens you from being dead in your sin to spiritual life so that you can seek the Lord. A dead man in his natural sinful state cannot seek the Lord. It is after Christ quickens hi ...[text shortened]... ill be gone for a day or two. I will provide scripture when I have more time to refrence them.
So, you get into heaven if you're saved, you don't if you're not.
Whether you've sinned isn't a consideration.
03 Jul 08
Originally posted by JigtieI think it is seriously naive to think there is always a better solution. If someone is bullying you on the playground, what do you do? On that all important first day in prison, what do you do? You do what you have to. I think that a lot of people in this world don't love peace. Read some of DSR's posts if you doubt me. You have to be prepared to defend yourself. We ARE marvelous creatures capable of many great things full of beauty. How about Dvorak's new world symphony? What about Van Gogh's starry night? In all things, balance. You have to learn to appreciate the great and deal with the terrible as best you can.
The question remains. If we're such marvellous creatures as we give
ourselves credit for, how come we still feel that wars are "needed"? There
is always a more productive solution, but our hatred, greed, fear,
paranoia and what have you prohibits us from taking the peaceful route
even when we can.
Why, I ask?
In a world where people actually w ...[text shortened]... necessary". Hence, war is useless and I'm
starting to think that maybe so is human kind.
04 Jul 08
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Originally posted by dryhumpYou keep taking this to a personal level. If you and I fight (for instance)
I think it is seriously naive to think there is always a better solution. If someone is bullying you on the playground, what do you do? On that all important first day in prison, what do you do? You do what you have to. I think that a lot of people in this world don't love peace. Read some of DSR's posts if you doubt me. You have to be prepared to defend you lance. You have to learn to appreciate the great and deal with the terrible as best you can.
it doesn't constitute a war. It's a rivalry between the two of us (though
even then there's always a better solution).
In a war, you would actually jump around in a muddy field killing off
complete strangers because your loony leader says: "Hey! If we don't kill
them, they will kill us.", or even more obvious: "For the glory of our
country". And both those cases are completely unnecessary because in
every war there is a stronger nation and a weaker nation and the
stronger should always be able to control the situation so that it doesn't
get out of hand. (If the nations are equally matched, then all the
more reason not to wage war.)
But maybe you're right. Maybe some people just actually wants war
before peace. That still doesn't make war necessary. If you ask people
in general: "Do you think war is a good thing?", they're gonna answer
something like: "Well, I don't like it, but sometimes it's necessary. I do
prefer peace if at all possible". See the double-standards there? If only
a few people actually wants war to happen, how come it's happening?
How come they're not over-voiced by the peace-loving majority?
No, wars are useless. There is always a better solution, and the only
reason it doesn't work out that way in practice (the way I see it) is
because most of us are stupid enough to believe otherwise.
To answer your question on personal rivalry, then no matter how lame it
may seem, talking to the bully always work in the long run. It may not
work when it's gone so far that you're in prison, but it could have been
stopped way before that. I've seen this happen in real life. Really scary
people turn for the better. It doesn't happen over night and there's a lot
of suffering before they get there, but the key is to not allow the
dominant to gain any ground on you, and to never lower yourself to
his/her level (using violence or setting certain rules for yourself and
other rules for him/her). And you do that best by figuring out what drives
this person and use that to get under his/her skin. Slowly and
persistently you can then enlighten him/her. And by enlighten I don't
mean to see everything the way you do, like some religious zealot, but
to make him/her realise that it's in everyone's best interest to always
find a peaceful solution. It's possible, but it can be lengthy and painful
process. Then again, so can rivalry between two individuals, and so can
war between two nations. The difference is that in one example there's
physical injury and possibly deaths, and in the other there's tedious
conversations and possibly friendship.
War is useless I maintain.