26 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidMost people are vaxxed. Not sure I see the problem.
I read some of the PDF document and noticed that the percentage of population part is much higher for the vaccinated. Can you explain that?
The other link doesn't specify which variants. Didn't you say omicron?
It’s a mix of delta and omi. So what?
26 Jan 22
@sh76 saidI get that omicron is supposed to be less severe though that seems to be largely derived from data from South Africa - a country with an average age much younger than the US. But assuming the following facts are true:
I have carefully looked at the evidence.
On the one hand, people showing up with Omicron (especially at hospitals) seems overwhelmingly unvaxxed.
On the other hand, most experts you speak to put the protection against infection at 30% or less.
Why the apparent discrepancy?
Possibilities:
1. Mild infections (which are the vast majority of infections in vaxxed peopl ...[text shortened]... nterest in coercive measures and (especially) draconian measures like school and business shutdowns.
1. Omicron is less severe and deadly; and
2. Omicron has been about 95% of cases in the US for about a month. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2022/01/04/omicron-now-accounts-for-95--of-new-u-s--covid-cases
Why haven't deaths significantly dropped? Instead the seven day average has almost doubled since the start of December and has risen more than 50% since the end of December. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
Even conceding that deaths are a trailing indicator, we should have seen a decline by now if both of those assumptions are true.
How do you account for this?
26 Jan 22
@sonhouse saidAre you still panicked over a 0.045% CO2 level (more or less) in the atmosphere?
@Metal-Brain
And you know ALL about 'deeply flawed' don't you?
I think we should double that amount. Plants will grow a lot better. More food production.
This planet is CO2 starved.
26 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidAhh, a fan of runaway greenhouse effect, I see. More disconnect from reality?
Are you still panicked over a 0.045% CO2 level (more or less) in the atmosphere?
I think we should double that amount. Plants will grow a lot better. More food production.
This planet is CO2 starved.
26 Jan 22
@suzianne saidNo, not a fan of a ridiculous theory like that. CO2 followed temps in the ice core samples, not the other way around. So did methane. You are disconnected from reality. You have your cause and effect backwards.
Ahh, a fan of runaway greenhouse effect, I see. More disconnect from reality?
https://euanmearns.com/the-vostok-ice-core-temperature-co2-and-ch4/
From the BBC:
The number of Americans dying each day from Covid-19 now stands as high as it did during the Delta variant's peak, a grim figure that experts believe will rise.
Statistics show that an average of over 2,000 people are dying from the virus in the US every day, roughly on par with the deaths seen in late September.
A large portion of the dead are older than 65 years old or unvaccinated.
To date, more than 866,000 people have died of Covid-19 in the US.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60133618
Don’t be alarmed though.
Don’t vaccinated and boostered or whatever…
26 Jan 22
@no1marauder saidWe were still in the Delta wave when Omicron hit in December. Deaths lag a lot, not just because it takes a long time for people to die but because it also takes a while for them to get reported. I'd estimate infection to reported death as 8 weeks on average (1-2 from infection to test positive, 4-6 to die and another while to be reported). The deaths you're seeing reported now are mostly delta, which was always naturally going to surge in November and December, though it thankfully does seem like it's being elbowed out by Omicron.
I get that omicron is supposed to be less severe though that seems to be largely derived from data from South Africa - a country with an average age much younger than the US. But assuming the following facts are true:
1. Omicron is less severe and deadly; and
2. Omicron has been about 95% of cases in the US for about a month. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/hea ...[text shortened]... ld have seen a decline by now if both of those assumptions are true.
How do you account for this?
I think I said in an earlier thread that deaths won't reflect the Omicron wave until mid-late February, and I'd stick to that.
Second, with the enormous prevalence of Omicron (I've read that hospital screenings for patients in for other procedures were coming back 10-15% positive), there have got to be a lot of incidental deaths counting as COVID. COVID deaths may have been undercounted in 2020, but I strongly suspect today's numbers are overcounts (remember that 50% or more hospitalizations with COVID are now being shown to really be there for other reasons).
@sh76 saidThat's absurd; deaths lag by about two weeks at most, not two months.https://covidtracking.com/analysis-updates/how-lagging-death-counts-muddied-our-view-of-the-pandemic
We were still in the Delta wave when Omicron hit in December. Deaths lag a lot, not just because it takes a long time for people to die but because it also takes a while for them to get reported. I'd estimate infection to reported death as 8 weeks on average (1-2 from infection to test positive, 4-6 to die and another while to be reported). The deaths you're seeing reported now ...[text shortened]... t 50% or more hospitalizations with COVID are now being shown to really be there for other reasons).
And no, I don't believe that deaths from other causes are being routinely reported as COVID deaths. People may go to the hospital to be treated initially for something else and then positive test for COVID, but I know of no data that suggests that coroners, MEs and others are filling out death certificates incorrectly on a vast scale.
28 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidSeriously, you should just shut up if you don't know what you're talking about. If you had a national forum, you'd be a threat to humanity.
No, not a fan of a ridiculous theory like that. CO2 followed temps in the ice core samples, not the other way around. So did methane. You are disconnected from reality. You have your cause and effect backwards.
https://euanmearns.com/the-vostok-ice-core-temperature-co2-and-ch4/
28 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidYour sources are conspiracy-theory sites.
I post my sources, cultist either don't or their sources are deeply flawed. That would be you.
29 Jan 22
@metal-brain said💨
I read some of the PDF document and noticed that the percentage of population part is much higher for the vaccinated. Can you explain that?
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29 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidMetal, seriously, isn't there anything you can manage not to be completely and idiotically wrong on?
Are you still panicked over a 0.045% CO2 level (more or less) in the atmosphere?
I think we should double that amount. Plants will grow a lot better. More food production.
This planet is CO2 starved.
If someone told you the sky is blue you'd argue that RT has proven that it's green, and blue is an American conspiracy.
30 Jan 22
@shallow-blue saidAre you claiming more CO2 is bad for plant growth? Bad for food production?
Metal, seriously, isn't there anything you can manage not to be completely and idiotically wrong on?
If someone told you the sky is blue you'd argue that RT has proven that it's green, and blue is an American conspiracy.
You are denying science.
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30 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidYou have no idea what science even is.
You are denying science.
Seriously. Stop trying. You have no future but failure.