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@divegeester said
Yes that’s happening too. One doesn’t preclude the other.

Feel free to keep your head in your ideological sand if you choose to.

Why is knife crime on the rise in the UK?

Why do people sign up to mad-hatter groups and ideologiea like ISIS or the MAGA movement? Or extreme right fascist groups?

Why do people join LA gangs?

It’s not migrants. It’s not Jews. It’s not Islam.
These are merely conducters; a simplified “solution” to a complicated problem.

The immigaration needs to be stopped!
Brexit will solve our problems!
The Irish are dangerous!
The Catholics are the problem!
The Afro-Carribbean folk are destroying our society!
It’s the punk movement’s fault!
The hippies!
The gays!

It’s always an “external” factor which can be used to shift focus from the real problem. It’s simpler to motivate and group around.
And it never solves anything.
It’s a spiral thought, because it’s ignoring the real problems. It’s blaming someone, anyone, and it’s comforting to know that if you could just stop “that group” that things will get better.

Yet it never does. And unless the real problems are addressed, it never will.

@shavixmir said
Why is knife crime on the rise in the UK?

Why do people sign up to mad-hatter groups and ideologiea like ISIS or the MAGA movement? Or extreme right fascist groups?

Why do people join LA gangs?

It’s not migrants. It’s not Jews. It’s not Islam.
These are merely conducters; a simplified “solution” to a complicated problem.

The immigaration needs to be stopped!
B ...[text shortened]... gs will get better.

Yet it never does. And unless the real problems are addressed, it never will.

Yep, American politics used to call these "lightening rod issues".

@shavixmir said
Why is knife crime on the rise in the UK?

Why do people sign up to mad-hatter groups and ideologiea like ISIS or the MAGA movement? Or extreme right fascist groups?

Why do people join LA gangs?

It’s not migrants. It’s not Jews. It’s not Islam.
These are merely conducters; a simplified “solution” to a complicated problem.

The immigaration needs to be stopped!
B ...[text shortened]... gs will get better.

Yet it never does. And unless the real problems are addressed, it never will.

As I said, feel free to keep your head in your ideological sand if you choose to. I will to watch how asylum seeker / immigrant crime continues to increase across Europe, you continue to tell me it’s not a problem.

Hey tell you what … when you see more migrants arriving in your town from Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Sudan etc, you can take a couple into your leftie welcoming open home, let them play with your kids. You can all sit around barefooted in your garden, your missus will make halloumi snacks while you strum your guitar and sing them traditional Dutch folk songs.

It’s fine, you’ll be fine.

@Suzianne said
Yep, American politics used to call these "lightening rod issues".

We will send a few over to Phoenix.
You can take one into your place as your new “house guest”, they will love your live music playing.

It’s so good to know all these refugees from war-torn France, Italy, Spain, and the rest of the EU will have welcoming homes to go to.

@divegeester said
As I said, feel free to keep your head in your ideological sand if you choose to. I will to watch how asylum seeker / immigrant crime continues to increase across Europe, you continue to tell me it’s not a problem.

Hey tell you what … when you see more migrants arriving in your town from Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Sudan etc, you can take a couple into your leftie welco ...[text shortened]... ile you strum your guitar and sing them traditional Dutch folk songs.

It’s fine, you’ll be fine.

Uh.. you do know which city I work in and that I used to work on refugee camps?

The problem is not immigration, Jews, gays, etc. these are conducters, an easy solution… you could even, to a certain extent, say they are symptoms of underlying causes.

You focus on that, you go down a rabbit hole and you’ll never have a solution.
Do you seriously think if migration stopped tomorrow, knife crime will go down? The housing problem will be solved? There will be more docters and nurses?

Seriously. You should, and probably do, know better.

@Suzianne said
Yep, American politics used to call these "lightening rod issues".

Exactly.
It’s what the right always does. And never do they solve any problems.

@shavixmir said
Uh.. you do know which city I work in and that I used to work on refugee camps?

The problem is not immigration, Jews, gays, etc. these are conducters, an easy solution… you could even, to a certain extent, say they are symptoms of underlying causes.

You focus on that, you go down a rabbit hole and you’ll never have a solution.
Do you seriously think if migration stop ...[text shortened]... lved? There will be more docters and nurses?

Seriously. You should, and probably do, know better.

Yes I do think elements of knife crime would go down.

Oh and don’t get me started on social services! But that’s fine too, here in the UK the Labour party are going to put all our local taxes up to fund the lack of schools, NHS capacity and pay for all the billions in extra benefits. Meanwhile the Chancellor is planning to raid the 350 billion in UK private pension equity to part fund their 1.5 million new “affordable” homes strategy.

There is a good reason that in the history of the party there has only been 4 Labour leaders who ever won a general election and only one Labour government which has ever won a second term … because every time they are power they fuk up. This current lot won’t last 5 years unless they give migrants the vote and reduce the voting age to 16. Oh yeah I forgot, that’s exactly what they are planning to do later in their term.

@shavixmir said
Uh.. you do know which city I work in and that I used to work on refugee camps?

So what, big deal.

Did you manage to get a better job in a supermarket?

@divegeester said
Yes I do think elements of knife crime would go down.

Oh and don’t get me started on social services! But that’s fine too, here in the UK the Labour party are going to put all our local taxes up to fund the lack of schools, NHS capacity and pay for all the billions in extra benefits. Meanwhile the Chancellor is planning to raid the 350 billion in UK private pension eq ...[text shortened]... voting age to 16. Oh yeah I forgot, that’s exactly what they are planning to do later in their term.

If these stabbings are so "migrant" related, how come other countries with even higher migrant percentages have far less stabbings?

The underlying issues are there. They are not hard to see.

@divegeester said
Yes the problem is wider than just Islamic fundamentalists.

Tell you what, how about we just stop ALL “asylum seeking” immigrants entering Europe and that way we will net ALL the murdering crazies. Wake up man. When one of your kids gets slaughtered perhaps you’ll change your hand-wringing tune.

I am not against any country imposing what they feel are safe limits on migration, especially asylum seekers. To me that's just common sense. Every nation has limited resources and no country can just accept everyone that tries to enter.

The issue is when people on this site or in the UK single out non-white immigrants despite most migrant crime being from whites. There are no riots against Roman or Polish criminals even though those are the two largest sources of migrant crime. When a Welsh-born Christian stabbed young girls riots erupted because people thought the attacker was a foreign-born Muslim.

Every country should have a plan for how to care asylum seekers, include what number they can reasonably handle. Asylum seekers are understandably desperate people and potential bring problems as a result. Such people need counseling and specific types of aid. Every country should gradually let refugees enter in an orderly manner keeping with what they can reasonably handle.

I agree that if you try to save everyone, you can help no one.

@vivify said
I am not against any country imposing what they feel are safe limits on migration, especially asylum seekers. To me that's just common sense. Every nation has limited resources and no country can just accept everyone that tries to enter.

The issue is when people on this site or in the UK single out non-white immigrants despite most migrant crime being from whites. There ...[text shortened]... what they can reasonably handle.

I agree that if you try to save everyone, you can help no one.

The larger problem is poverty and a lack of perspective.

And constantly blaming everyone else, whoever else, doesn't solve the underlying issues. So, you stop immigration... then it will be gays. Or the Irish. Or 3rd generatrion Indians. Or the Catholics. Or labour supporters. Etc. ad infinitum.

@shavixmir said
The larger problem is poverty and a lack of perspective.

And constantly blaming everyone else, whoever else, doesn't solve the underlying issues. So, you stop immigration... then it will be gays. Or the Irish. Or 3rd generatrion Indians. Or the Catholics. Or labour supporters. Etc. ad infinitum.

I agree completely.

I hope my post didn't come across as anti-migration or against refugees. Such debates devolve to accepting all migrants no matter what or banning them all. Both are wrong.

Whether immigrants coming to the UK or US, refugees must be accepted in an orderly, planned out manner. If not, this is how you end up with children living in cages, which first started out under Obama.

Good intentions like helping refugees must come with planned solutions, which may mean starting out with small numbers of refugees until a working system is in place that allows for more.

@shavixmir said
If these stabbings are so "migrant" related, how come other countries with even higher migrant percentages have far less stabbings?

The underlying issues are there. They are not hard to see.

Not all stabbings, not even most stabbings, but an increasing amount of “isolated incidents”.

But here’s my bottom line on this. Even if there were no immigrant related crimes whatsoever, we should still close all borders for economic reasons.

@vivify said
I am not against any country imposing what they feel are safe limits on migration, especially asylum seekers. To me that's just common sense. Every nation has limited resources and no country can just accept everyone that tries to enter.

The issue is when people on this site or in the UK single out non-white immigrants despite most migrant crime being from whites. There ...[text shortened]... what they can reasonably handle.

I agree that if you try to save everyone, you can help no one.

I don’t see anything wrong in singling out illegal immigrant related crime as part of the issue with immigration.

If doing this bends you out of shape then so be it.

@shavixmir said
The larger problem is poverty and a lack of perspective.

And constantly blaming everyone else, whoever else, doesn't solve the underlying issues. So, you stop immigration... then it will be gays. Or the Irish. Or 3rd generatrion Indians. Or the Catholics. Or labour supporters. Etc. ad infinitum.

But that’s not what I’m doing, it’s just what you say I am doing because your debating tactic is to misrepresent what I say.

I’ve been calling out for this all week as I’m sure you remember.