21 Oct 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672Basically when a woman collects her welfare she should get a shot of contraceptive injected into her until she gets off her fat bottom a contributes to society.
Well...does any person have the right to create children? Does someone have the right to create children, for instance, if they're addicted to drugs, if they have no income, if every possible indicator points to this person creating a person that will be a drain on society's resources?
We could take the Chinese approach: one child per family. This should limit the problem.
We could penalise bad parents for the sins of their children. In the UK you can be sent to jail if your child fails to attend school.
21 Oct 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672The whole concept of 'rights' I find extremely unclear. It's one of those terms that I suspect is so vague as to be almost meaningless.
Well...does any person have the right to create children? Does someone have the right to create children, for instance, if they're addicted to drugs, if they have no income, if every possible indicator points to this person creating a person that will be a drain on society's resources?
A right is the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled or a thing to which one has a just claim.
So...what does 'justly entitled' mean? What makes a claim 'just'?
I could answer this question which might be a paraphrase of yours or is at least related:
Would it be morally superior for all people to be able to make their own choices about whether or not to reproduce and how much to do so or would it be morally superior for other people to limit people from doing so?
I'd say that it would be morally superior for outside agencies to limit people from reproducing in some cases. If that means people do not have a right to have children, that that's what it means.
21 Oct 05
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Originally posted by Conrau KSasquatch didn't say any of those accusations you are asserting. He has a good point because if truth be known, and sometimes the truth hurts....so, here goes: For the most part only stupid people, or people who can't afford to offer a child a better life than they have, are breeding...there, I said it! Call me a Nazi, I don't care, but that's what is happening in the world today.....why do you say Jews should be exterminated?( I know the context you are using, so I'm not accusing you of actually saying such a thing). The Jews are some of the most productive people and can usually provide for the children they have; Ugly people, as long as they are educated can do the same thing...I'm a good example, except I don't have kids. Low IQ people have a purpose too: there's no shame in menial labor or in jobs that don't require much thinking. I will respect a ditch digger as much as a brain surgeon...what Sasquatch is saying, at least I think he is saying it this way, is, and I quote: "don't have kids if one can't afford to provide for them, mentor them, and be there for them until they are adults, and don't expect society to pay for one's 11 children if one is too lazy or stupid to use BCPs or abstinance...also, some parenting workshops, paid for by the prospective parents, should be required for all soon-to-be parents", unquote...also, I don't want my tax dollars paying for abortions either....these are my words....😉
Yes. and Jews should be extirminated.
i think your saying things along the lines of what Hitler was thinking and negative eugenics. We should also not allow ugly people and people with an IQ
21 Oct 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672I don't think people have absolute rights. I'm inclined to think that in reality people have a right to make any play they can back up. However, as to children I believe that those who have them should be held responsible for them until death of one or the other or both voids such responsibiliy.
Bringing this up because I've thought alot about this. We see a whole lot of crime in inner cities, it doesn't matter what country we're talking about. In American cities, we see an awful lot of single mothers raising their kids - or not raising them, as the case may be - because the sperm donors don't act like people. Now there's no way to know ...[text shortened]... tical nightmares, but I'd prefer to limit the discussion to the ethics question. Here we go...
21 Oct 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672In my opinion, no.....but there is little or no alternative...the ACLU will make sure that Cathy, the crack whore, and Micky, the meth-head, can reproduce all they want....guess who's using up all the burn clinic funds and materiel in many parts of the U.S.?...meth-heads who blow themselves up manufacturing meth, and guess who pays the hospital bills, sometimes costing $1,000,000 dollars (getting burned ain't cheap!!)?...if you guessed the taxpayers, you get a doughnut.....🙄
Well...does any person have the right to create children? Does someone have the right to create children, for instance, if they're addicted to drugs, if they have no income, if every possible indicator points to this person creating a person that will be a drain on society's resources?
21 Oct 05
Well I agree that Taxpayers should not be supporting these people, I think that the goverment should not limit who can have children. if they can make laws banning people that they cant have children, it could lead to that one cant have children if they are under the poverty line.
For example, My parents at one time were very poor. I think they had $300 dollors and a truck at the time they were married, Then they had 9 children (Me being the oldest), Now they are way ahead financualy then most people, me and my brother runs the construction company, My 19 year old sister has her own business and probaly makes over double of the national average, and all of us support our parents. So banning people from having children because of money is stupid
as for as IQ, isnt 7 people out of the top 10 richest people in the US Highschool dropouts? I could be wrong about this
but then again people like Lashuan Harris makes me sick. I cant believe she would throw her children into the river
22 Oct 05
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Originally posted by flyUnityI commend your parents and you and your siblings. Your situation points to the example of what a nuclear family can achieve if they plan, save, get educated, and most of all....work hard!!. However, your case is becoming the exeption rather than the rule these days. Back in the depression-era, families like yours thrived despite being poor. The work ethic was stronger, and people didn't want to rely on Sugar Daddy Uncle Sam, but times have changed, and a lot of people expect the gov't to take care them from cradle to grave (agreed, my Euro/Canadian friends?). My grandparents had 13 children from 1917-1939 and all were successful in life to varying degrees, but that was a different time...try that today without a good job, a devoted wife/mother, a large house...can't be done; well, it can be done...it's called welfare
Well I agree that Taxpayers should not be supporting these people, I think that the goverment should not limit who can have children. if they can make laws banning people that they cant have children, it could lead to that one cant have children if they are under the poverty line.
For example, My parents at one time were very poor. I think they had $300 d ...[text shortened]... le like Lashuan Harris makes me sick. I cant believe she would throw her children into the river
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by chancremechanicI agree with you here, My grandparents also had 13 children, and all of them are very successful.
I commend your parents and you and your siblings. Your situation points to the example of what a nuclear family can achieve if they plan, save, get educated, and most of all....work hard!!. However, your case is becoming the exeption rather than the rule these days. Back in the depression-era, families like yours thrived despite being poor. The w ...[text shortened]... devoted wife/mother, a large house...can't be done; well, it can be done...it's called welfare
Im very againts welfare, I think it teaches laziness. and it hurts people more then it help.
But I still dont think that the goverment should limit in any way who has children, and who dont. Maybe if we get rid of welfare that problem will solve on its own