22 Oct 05
Well how about temporary sterizilation of all human beings at birth. And much like passing a drivers test everyone could apply for a child bearing license. Money or IQ need not be factors because ultimately love and devotion is what determines successfull parenting. Drug testing and criminal records would be checked. Phycological profile would be a must. Population would be better contolled and crack addicts and welfare victums wouldn't be able to further the burden to society. And you wouldn't be able to apply until you were at least 30 years old.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by mokko30? Isn't that a little old as a minimum? Birth defects start increasing after 35 or something no?
Well how about temporary sterizilation of all human beings at birth. And much like passing a drivers test everyone could apply for a child bearing license. Money or IQ need not be factors because ultimately love and devotion is what determines successfull parenting. Drug testing and criminal records would be checked. Phycological profile would be a must. Popul ...[text shortened]... the burden to society. And you wouldn't be able to apply until you were at least 30 years old.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungHaving had two children in my early twenties and one at thirty I can't express enough the difference in overall parenting ability. I have many friends who have chosen not to have children until later in lie and I have yet to see any defects among them. One woman I know had her baby at 40 years old without any complications.
30? Isn't that a little old as a minimum? Birth defects start increasing after 35 or something no?
You're more settles, more patient and more unselfish once you're out of your twenties. Besides that should be the time spent on education and career and getting yourself situated in a position to care for children.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by mokkoGood point.....
Having had two children in my early twenties and one at thirty I can't express enough the difference in overall parenting ability. I have many friends who have chosen not to have children until later in lie and I have yet to see any defects among them. One woman I know had her baby at 40 years old without any complications.
You're more settles, more pati ...[text shortened]... spent on education and career and getting yourself situated in a position to care for children.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by invigorateits two children per family,
Basically when a woman collects her welfare she should get a shot of contraceptive injected into her until she gets off her fat bottom a contributes to society.
We could take the Chinese approach: one child per family. This should limit the problem.
We could penalise bad parents for the sins of their children. In the UK you can be sent to jail if your child fails to attend school.
but the point is there is a lot to be said for it. It controls the population growth, and therefore the impact on the ecosystem, something we here in America need a little "learnin" on. It also says to the family, quality counts not quantity. You have one or two children, you should be able to feed and raise them reasonably well to be productive members of society. Funny was just discussing his topic with the wife today.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672Excellent thread! We talk about this in the ED all the time! It seems the worst possible parents in America are the one's having kids willy-nilly. We se it day in and day out. Crack heads on welfare with 5 kids from 5 different fathers and ain't a sole in site working! In AZ the ratio of private insured to access/ welfare is now 3:1, was 4:1 a few years back. the fastest growing pop in the good ol US is the welfare group, because if your not working it pays to have kids!
Bringing this up because I've thought alot about this. We see a whole lot of crime in inner cities, it doesn't matter what country we're talking about. In American cities, we see an awful lot of single mothers raising their kids - or not raising them, as the case may be - because the sperm donors don't act like people. Now there's no way to know ...[text shortened]... tical nightmares, but I'd prefer to limit the discussion to the ethics question. Here we go...
You should have to obtain a license to be a parent, and it needs to be reevaluated every 4 years or so. Mandatory sterilization for having a kid without a license.
Did you ever wonder if the current welfare program was actually promoted by large corporations influencing the pseudo reps, and pseudo Dems(Clinton/Bush/ Reagan) of the last 20 years? I mean its effect is to remove the middle class, and shift the bulk of the pop to impoverished, as the welfare group continues to breed like jackrabbits, and the middle class is unable to afford more than one or two kids....
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by helpmespockI don't think people having large families is the problem. I would have loved to have had alot of children. It's the fact that people are having kids and disregarding the resposibility of them. There needs to be a certain standard set as to bringing innocent children into the world and creating future problems due to their upbringing. Fetal alcohol syndrome from women who drink, underdeveloped kids from women who smoke, crack addicted babies from drug addicts, the list goes on and it's society that foots the bill for this. Not to mention it's the children that pay the ultimate price for such an easily obtainable right to procreate.
its two children per family,
but the point is there is a lot to be said for it. It controls the population growth, and therefore the impact on the ecosystem, something we here in America need a little "learnin" on. It also says to the family, quality counts not quantity. You have one or two children, you should be able to feed and raise them reasonab ...[text shortened]... ll to be productive members of society. Funny was just discussing his topic with the wife today.
I knew a woman when I was younger who spit out kids like wads of bubble gum. Everyone of them eventually taken away from her yet she kept having more. Never making any attempt to change or alter her behaviour. I do strongly belive that steps should be allowed to prevent people like this from having children.
I remember reading somewhere some time ago about an organization who were paying crack addicted women to voluntarily have themselves steralized. I remember the group coming under extreme fire for this. Saying they were taking advantage of these womens addiction and removing their right to have children. I can't see how this would be a bad thing. It wasn't being forced on them and the money they were given is peanuts compared to what it would cost to care for these potential children in medical costs and care.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by flyUnityin a true communist country you will have a lot more freedom then you have now since there will be no dictator or government. Of course you must realise that money has in no way anything to do with freedom and actualy stands for the oposite. You are probably a slave to money and greed.
We are in a free country, not a communist country, which means we got freedom to do what we want.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by flyUnityWouldn't that lead to a George Orwell, 1984 society. Government controling the people. If they can decide who can have babies and who cant, whats next on the list of things to be controled?
I agree with you here, My grandparents also had 13 children, and all of them are very successful.
Im very againts welfare, I think it teaches laziness. and it hurts people more then it help.
But I still dont think that the goverment should limit in any way who has children, and who dont. Maybe if we get rid of welfare that problem will solve on its own
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by mokkoDon't you think your experience with having had two children already was part of what made you a better parent?
Having had two children in my early twenties and one at thirty I can't express enough the difference in overall parenting ability. I have many friends who have chosen not to have children until later in lie and I have yet to see any defects among them. One woman I know had her baby at 40 years old without any complications.
You're more settles, more pati ...[text shortened]... spent on education and career and getting yourself situated in a position to care for children.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672But there are people who have come from violent etc backgrounds, and then gone on to achieve many things. For example Tracy Emins.
Bringing this up because I've thought alot about this. We see a whole lot of crime in inner cities, it doesn't matter what country we're talking about. In American cities, we see an awful lot of single mothers raising their kids - or not raising them, as the case may be - because the sperm donors don't act like people. Now there's no way to know ...[text shortened]... tical nightmares, but I'd prefer to limit the discussion to the ethics question. Here we go...
In some cases coming from a worse background gives you a greater incentive to work and get away from it all
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungIt's rare that one hears such an expression...very rare. Both the term 'right' and 'absolute' seem extremely problematic in modern usage.
The whole concept of 'rights' I find extremely unclear. It's one of those terms that I suspect is so vague as to be almost meaningless.
"Right" is funny though, at least to the degree that otherwise "emprically minded" people will cought it up without a second thought. It's like..."I don't know what they are or where they are...or exactly which ones I have...but I have a few of whatever they are...and nobody's got the key to the box cuz they are 'inalienable'". Truly strange.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungPartly. It gave me the experience definately. But in retrospect I feel I was too young to have had children and wasn't as focused or prepared for what it meant to undertake such a responsibility. Alright if there had to be an age requirement then mabye 25 could cut it. It's just natural evolution of the brain that occurs around this age for most.
Don't you think your experience with having had two children already was part of what made you a better parent?
You become less absorbed in yourself and begin seeing life in terms of something other than yourself. Many young parents fail their children in focusing on their own wants and needs as oppposed to their childrens. It's the biggest sacrafice of yourself you will ever undertake. You no longer take precedence in your own life. I don't think enough people realize the full implications of having children and what it means. It should in some way be restricted to people who are not prepared to suffer those sacrafices and take on the full responsibilities of protecting and caring for their children.
22 Oct 05
Originally posted by mokkoAnd who should make that determination? I don't see how we can ever live in a society where some agent determines who and who is not fit for parenthood.
It should in some way be restricted to people who are not prepared to suffer those sacrafices and take on the full responsibilities of protecting and caring for their children.