19 Feb 20
@sonhouse saidHow would you fix the system?
@whodey
So it doesn't matter, just let it slide because both sides are corrupt so don't even TRY to bring accountability into it. Got it. System is so bad just ignore everything.
I have tried to address this problem as where all you want to do is bash Orange man so he will lose the next election.
@whodey
You could care less about Republican corruption ONLY pointing out democrat corruption.
We can impeach Barr for one thing not that would happen but you know good and well no matter WHAT trump does, his republican buddies will give him a free ride.
THAT is the problem with the system.
The framers wanted 3 independent and equal branches of government but never saw the possibility of one branch completely taking over another which is what Trump has done, taken over the senate and now DOJ.
What does it take for you to realize the US is in serious trouble?
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19 Feb 20
@sonhouse saidthe DOJ is not a branch of govt 😂😂😂
@whodey
You could care less about Republican corruption ONLY pointing out democrat corruption.
We can impeach Barr for one thing not that would happen but you know good and well no matter WHAT trump does, his republican buddies will give him a free ride.
THAT is the problem with the system.
The framers wanted 3 independent and equal branches of government but never saw t ...[text shortened]... ken over the senate and now DOJ.
What does it take for you to realize the US is in serious trouble?
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@moonbus saida little perspective...
@sonhouse
Trump just pardoned four convicted corrupt politicians and/or financiers. Trump evidently does not see corruption per se as a crime--more like a parking violation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49377676
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 2,819 pardons
Harry S. Truman: 1,913 pardons
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1,110 pardons
Woodrow Wilson: 1,087 pardons
Lyndon Johnson: 960 pardons
Richard Nixon: 863 pardons
Calvin Coolidge: 773 pardons
Herbert Hoover: 672 pardons
Theodore Roosevelt: 668 pardons
Jimmy Carter: 534 pardons
John F. Kennedy: 472 pardons
Bill Clinton: 396 pardons
Ronald Reagan: 393 pardons
William H. Taft: 383 pardons
Gerald Ford: 382 pardons
Warren Harding: 386 pardons
William McKinley: 291 pardons
Barack Obama: 212 pardons
Donald Trump 19 pardons, 7 commutations
TDS causing hypocrisy.
@mott-the-hoople saidIt's not the number that matters. I'm just waiting for Trump to pardon Manafort, Flynn, et al. Then the farce will be complete.
a little perspective...
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 2,819 pardons
Harry S. Truman: 1,913 pardons
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1,110 pardons
Woodrow Wilson: 1,087 pardons
Lyndon Johnson: 960 pardons
Richard Nixon: 863 pardons
Calvin Coolidge: 773 pardons
Herbert Hoover: 672 pardons
Theodore Roosevelt: 668 pardons
Jimmy Carter: 534 pardons
John F. Kennedy: 472 pardons ...[text shortened]... ardons
Barack Obama: 212 pardons
Donald Trump 19 pardons, 7 commutations
TDS causing hypocrisy.
@moonbus saidBlago served 8 years for what could best be described as attempted corruption. 8 was plenty.
@sonhouse
Trump just pardoned four convicted corrupt politicians and/or financiers. Trump evidently does not see corruption per se as a crime--more like a parking violation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49377676
Milken was guilty of very little beyond making too much money too fast in a manner that struck people as slightly icky. What he eventually pled guilty to was a hodgepodge of non-compliant SEC filings causing total "damages" of only $318,000 (https://www.economist.com/briefing/2010/10/21/stars-of-the-junkyard) for which he served almost 2 years in prison.
I don't know much about Kerik's case, but I have no problem with the commutation on Blago or Milken's pardon.
19 Feb 20
@mott-the-hoople saidThey were directly involved in highly dubious affairs, for which they were convicted, for the man now occupying the Oval Office. There is a saying: "When America sneezes, the world gets a cold." America is sick, very very sick, and as the nominal leader of the free world, it is a bad sign when America gets sick. The rest of the free world looks to America for its model. What do we see there now? Trump rode to power promising to "drain the swamp" and has demonstrated that he is the swamp: amoral, corrupt, trampling the fundamental principles of the separation of powers, defeating checks and balances at every opportunity, in open defiance of the rule of law and legal procedures, obsessed with his own image, intoxicated with power for its own sake, alienating America's traditional and newly-found allies left, right and centre. This is not good, and it concerns people and nations well beyond America's borders.
tell me what did Manafort and Flynn do that concerns you so?
If America were to continue down this path, it would lose even its staunchest allies. "America first" will lead to "America alone." Think about that, next November.
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@sh76 saidKerik was convicted of tax fraud, taking bribes (interest free loan, never to be paid back), and lying about them to investigators.
Blago served 8 years for what could best be described as attempted corruption. 8 was plenty.
Milken was guilty of very little beyond making too much money too fast in a manner that struck people as slightly icky. What he eventually pled guilty to was a hodgepodge of non-compliant SEC filings causing total "damages" of only $318,000 (https://www.economist.com/briefing/2010/10/ ...[text shortened]... now much about Kerik's case, but I have no problem with the commutation on Blago or Milken's pardon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Kerik
White collar crime. Apparently, Trump thinks this sort of crime is no worse than a parking violation. Paving the way for his own pardon later on?
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@moonbus
"They were directly involved in highly dubious affairs, for which they were convicted, for the man now occupying the Oval Office."
You dont know what they were convicted of, or are you afraid it will make you look like a hypocrite?
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19 Feb 20
@moonbus saidAndrew McCabe mean anything to you?
Kerik was convicted of tax fraud, taking bribes (interest free loan, never to be paid back), and lying about them to investigators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Kerik
White collar crime. Apparently, Trump thinks this sort of crime is no worse than a parking violation. Paving the way for his own pardon later on?
21 Feb 20
@mott-the-hoople saidFlynn lied to the FBI:
@moonbus
"They were directly involved in highly dubious affairs, for which they were convicted, for the man now occupying the Oval Office."
You dont know what they were convicted of, or are you afraid it will make you look like a hypocrite?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/michael-flynn-lied-fbi-lie-was-crime-white-house-alan-ncna950191
Manafort was convicted of lying, tax fraud (5 counts), bank fraud, witness tampering; he pleaded guilty to witness tampering and a conspiracy against the U.S. government involving tax fraud, money laundering, failure to report foreign bank accounts, failure to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the Justice Department.
https://reason.com/2019/03/11/here-is-what-paul-manafort-was-convicted/
https://time.com/5369058/paul-manafort-trial-verdict/
That's the caliber of people Trump hand picks to be his advisors: liars and white collar criminals.