24 Aug 11
Originally posted by EladarObama has chosen not to pursue full employment because this requires taking some measures which his (retarded) team of economic advisors don't support, like heavily raising taxes on the rich. China has nothing to do with it.
You can bring up free trade when China gets rid of its tariffs and practices free trade itself. Until then, there is no free trade with China.
As for GE, they work hand in hand with Obama. If Obama wants American jobs, then he (GE) shouldn't work to give more jobs to China.
24 Aug 11
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Originally posted by quackquackyes, cheaper goods are fine, if there are more people working to buy the goods..
I rarely have an opportunity to defend Obama, but perhaps he wants to help companies provide affordable and desirable goods for US citizens. Free trade does that.
I have found generally that chinese goods are like what we use to see from japan in the early days...my last pair of Vasque hiking boots was a good example. They should have lasted years, but the sole ripped away from the boot leather, the vibram wore poorly,, I looked inside the tongue, and sure enough, they were made in china, so cheaper doesn't really add up, when you have to keep buying?
I see these knock off ATVs made in China now, and they are real pieces of junk... maybe someday they will make a product that lasts..... Japan pulled their heads out and have made some great cars, motorcycles and such.. for now,, Immelt should resign his post with our government , and keep working for GE.....
Like I said, the people will decide in 2012....
24 Aug 11
Originally posted by Hugh GlassThere will be a protectionist candidate in 2012?
yes, cheaper goods are fine, if there are more people working to buy the goods..
I have found generally that chinese goods are like what we use to see from japan in the early days...my last pair of Vasque hiking boots was a good example. They should have lasted years, but the sole ripped away from the boot leather, the vibram wore poorly,, I looked insid ...[text shortened]... our government , and keep working for GE.....
Like I said, the people will decide in 2012....
24 Aug 11
Originally posted by KazetNagorraraising taxes on the rich is a rather small start to pay off debt..... but it is at least a start.
Obama has chosen not to pursue full employment because this requires taking some measures which his (retarded) team of economic advisors don't support, like heavily raising taxes on the rich. China has nothing to do with it.
spending cuts are needed too. grandpa use to tell us all the time, if you keep the stopper in the sink, even a small drip will fill it..that is what our government needs to practice, we think saving a few million here or there won't help, and that is a poor way of viewing things.. you have to start somewhere...the Libyian "project" ran around 875 million..... now I'm glad that dictator is gone, but it's too soon to jump for joy, with that, our egypt....
where will thier mustard gas go? Humm?
24 Aug 11
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperaccused you of hiding? Lol
Hey Hugh, I have something for you. Since you accused me of "hiding" because I was on orders for recruiter duty a couple years ago...
www.goarmy.com
Show me how it's done. Make sure you pick something combat arms and volunteer to go airborne.
not really....
I am getting tired of the Marines calling for my youngest daughter though...
by the way, I can shoot too..... have always been able to, learned from my pop...
my neighbor was an airborne paratrooper, now on disability because he banged himself up..
I'd rather go navy seal myself.....
24 Aug 11
Originally posted by Hugh GlassRather than have restrictions on free trade, the free market will decide quality issues. If foreign goods are low quality and people are bothered by that then they will bother something else. The government should not favor one producer (domestic or foreign) over another and if when price and quality are considered a foreign country produces a good better than us, there is absolutely no reason not to get the benefits of that product. Thus, I see nothing the government or GE is doing improper by producing desirable goods in China.
yes, cheaper goods are fine, if there are more people working to buy the goods..
I have found generally that chinese goods are like what we use to see from japan in the early days...my last pair of Vasque hiking boots was a good example. They should have lasted years, but the sole ripped away from the boot leather, the vibram wore poorly,, I looked insid ...[text shortened]... our government , and keep working for GE.....
Like I said, the people will decide in 2012....
24 Aug 11
They apparently have an age limit,, ?? why would they go and do that...?
marines do too, I asked the last recruiter about it, if they want my daughter so badly, take me instead,, he just laughed....
remington 700 makes a great long range rifle, I have two.... 308 and 7mm mag.
both have vampire scopes, and are real accurate.. one Sako which is too nice to bang around in the brush...
I am not a good shot with a pistol however.. never practice much...
24 Aug 11
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Originally posted by quackquackyes, and my newest boots are made in Italy,, Alica..... they are tanks compared to vasques. You will never find them in a store,, garantee it...
Rather than have restrictions on free trade, the free market will decide quality issues. If foreign goods are low quality and people are bothered by that then they will bother something else. The government should not favor one producer (domestic or foreign) over another and if when price and quality are considered a foreign country produces a good bett ...[text shortened]... hus, I see nothing the government or GE is doing improper by producing desirable goods in China.
look hard on the foot wear shelf next time you are in the store,, is anything on that rack NOT made in China..... not like there is much choice... when shopping for boots or shoes..
24 Aug 11
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Originally posted by quackquackI'm sure the millions who have lost their jobs or been forced to accept far lower wages because of "free trade" with countries who's internal repressive policies hold down their own worker's wages appreciate that.
I rarely have an opportunity to defend Obama, but perhaps he wants to help companies provide affordable and desirable goods for US citizens. Free trade does that.
24 Aug 11
Originally posted by no1marauderNot taking advantage of foreign innovation or foreign cheaper goods make everything more expensive and gives all of society fewer options. Jobs would not be lost with free trade if workers were not overpaid. There is no reasonable justification to keep out goods just to artificially prop up salaries that the market cannot justify.
I'm sure the millions who have lost their jobs or been forced to accept far lower wages because of "free trade" with countries who's internal repressive policies hold down their own worker's wages appreciate that.
24 Aug 11
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Originally posted by quackquackSo our worker's standard of living should decline to make you happy?
Not taking advantage of foreign innovation or foreign cheaper goods make everything more expensive and gives all of society fewer options. Jobs would not be lost with free trade if workers were not overpaid. There is no reasonable justification to keep out goods just to artificially prop up salaries that the market cannot justify.
Unemployment and depressed wages create negative externalities that far outweigh any advantages a $1 less for a shirt gains.
24 Aug 11
Originally posted by quackquackAustralia has strong trade ties with China and a minimum wage far higher than the US (it is over $30,000). Unemployment: 5%.
Not taking advantage of foreign innovation or foreign cheaper goods make everything more expensive and gives all of society fewer options. Jobs would not be lost with free trade if workers were not overpaid. There is no reasonable justification to keep out goods just to artificially prop up salaries that the market cannot justify.
24 Aug 11
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraApple meet orange. How many jobs has Australia lost in say the textile industry over the last 20 years?
Australia has strong trade ties with China and a minimum wage far higher than the US (it is over $30,000). Unemployment: 5%.
EDIT: Things aren't as rosy Down Under as you seem to think and "free trade" with China seems to be a culprit: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2011/08/23/2003511413
24 Aug 11
Originally posted by no1marauderCreating artificial barriers which make everything more everything more expensive create even greater negative effects. Everyone's standard of living improves when goods are cheaper. There is no logical reason to not take advantage of cheaper goods and innovations merely because they are made in other countries.
So our worker's standard of living should decline to make you happy?
Unemployment and depressed wages create negative externalities that far outweigh any advantages a $1 less for a shirt gains.