George Bush- Resignation?

Originally posted by Rajk999
If the existence (or not) of Bush as president of the USA affects your existence so badly, I suspect you need help and a life. If you tried that already and it did not work, I can send a hitman down under to put you out of your misery.

I heard all kinds of foreign guys invading AU and taking away all the beautiful women from the locals. If you are in that predicament try to concentrate on your own domestic problems.

Consider this, the american election received more coverage then our own Australian election.
In our constitution it says we cannot invade other countries unless they pose an immediate threat. Yet, Bush says "invade Iraq" and we do. I'm beginning to wonder who the Australian leader really is, our queen? our prime minister? Or the American president?
Its most likely the American president.

It seems that our domestic problems are closer to America then they are to Australia.

Originally posted by dyl
lib·er·al
adj.

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.


You should try it sometime.

ooo-oo ... look .... an oxymoron ...

Originally posted by Conrau K
Consider this, the american election received more coverage then our own Australian election.
In our constitution it says we cannot invade other countries unless they pose an immediate threat. Yet, Bush says "invade Iraq" and we do. I'm beginning to wonder who the Australian leader really is, our queen? our prime minister? Or the American president?
Its ...[text shortened]... t.

It seems that our domestic problems are closer to America then they are to Australia.

You need to come to terms with (and accept) and few things :
1. The AU media are not on the US payroll and they do what is in their best interest so they air news events that the AU public would like to see. If that happens to be the US elections then thats where the adveretising $$$s are .. and thats what will be aired.
2. The same way you have close friends, nations have allies. I suspect your govt is wise enough to recoginse the importance of having the US as an ally and is acting in YOUR best interest although you are too immature to see it right now. If the day comes and AU needs assistance the US will be the first to respond.

Originally posted by Conrau K
liberal is left wing. Conservative is right wing, thus Bush is right- wing (both economically and socially).

yes, i understand. i'm saying that i seem much more liberal because the country is much more conservative.

Originally posted by Rajk999
If the day comes and AU needs assistance the US will be the first to respond.

Funny that. Dont remember America jumping to assist us in Timor just a few years ago.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Funny that. Dont remember America jumping to assist us in Timor just a few years ago.

Do you think that Indonesia's control of East Timor was an "immediate threat" to Australia?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Do you think that Indonesia's control of East Timor was an "immediate threat" to Australia?

That wasn't an invasion. It was military succour to an ally...who had a lot of oil.

Originally posted by nomind
yes, i understand. i'm saying that i seem much more liberal because the country is much more conservative.

Barry Goldwater had a similar experience. In 1964, he was the far-right. By the time of his death in 1998, he was close to the center, although he had not altered his views.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Funny that. Dont remember America jumping to assist us in Timor just a few years ago.

I think you got the point. Nobody does any jumping. In the event of a crisis the heads of state will talk, maybe one may ask for assistance as Bush did with AU, maybe there is an offer of assistance. But generally allies will not interfere until there is a clear sign (verbal or otherwise) that help is required.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I think you got the point. Nobody does any jumping. In the event of a crisis the heads of state will talk, maybe one may ask for assistance as Bush did with AU, maybe there is an offer of assistance. But generally allies will not interfere until there is a clear sign (verbal or otherwise) that help is required.

The original point was that George W. Bush should resign.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
The original point was that George W. Bush should resign.

Yeah, and fat chance of that. But if he did, we would have (SHUDDER) guess who for president.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I think you got the point. Nobody does any jumping. In the event of a crisis the heads of state will talk, maybe one may ask for assistance as Bush did with AU, maybe there is an offer of assistance. But generally allies will not interfere until there is a clear sign (verbal or otherwise) that help is required.

The thing is, George Bush doesn't help us at all. We invade Iraq to support America despite the fact they did NOT support us in Timor. We have been with them on three wars, so far (let me think, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, any more?). Its also in the AU policy, not to sell India Uranium, but then representatives of Bush say, "please, please, sell them uranium" and suddenly the deal is being considered. There's also the fact that our economical relationship with the US is detrimental to us (this free trade agreement isn't reaping us any reward) and the fact that nearly every policy in our leading party (paradoxically the liberal party) is adopted from America.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
The original point was that George W. Bush should resign.

But somebody is yet to give a good reason why.

Originally posted by Conrau K
The thing is, George Bush doesn't help us at all. We invade Iraq to support America despite the fact they did NOT support us in Timor. We have been with them on three wars, so far (let me think, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, any more?). Its also in the AU policy, not to sell India Uranium, but then representatives of Bush say, "please, please, sell them uranium" an ...[text shortened]... very policy in our leading party (paradoxically the liberal party) is adopted from America.

Sounds like if many AUs are of like mind, youall can do something about that next election. If nothing is done it probably means that the majority of AUs have no problem with the US influence.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
Barry Goldwater had a similar experience. In 1964, he was the far-right. By the time of his death in 1998, he was close to the center, although he had not altered his views.

I think your point contains a truth that is commonly overlooked, such that the terms liberal and conservative are almost meaningless. They tend to have an historical or sentimental meaning but not much else.

The notion of a US left for example is found by most citizens of other countries to be vaguely absurd, when for the most part the liberal politics of Amercia resonates quite well with large slabs of our right.(in AU at least).