Record high temperatures across the northeast United States this week. hitting the 60's in January is completely unheard of in Philadelphia.
Some say this is due to global warming and all the polar ice cap melting cr*p. I don't know if I buy that. I've heard conflicting views on whether global warming is actually happening and what it really means. what do you think?
Originally posted by PocketKingsAnd just last month here in Wyoming we had record low temperature. I dont buy that Global Warming junk, 75 years ago everyone was worried about global cooling
Record high temperatures across the northeast United States this week. hitting the 60's in January is completely unheard of in Philadelphia.
Some say this is due to global warming and all the polar ice cap melting cr*p. I don't know if I buy that. I've heard conflicting views on whether global warming is actually happening and what it really means. what do you think?
In the January issue of Astronomy Magazine on page 32 in the "news" section, is a bit from Mars. I quote:
"SHRINKING MESAS. Mesas of dry ice at the martian south pole have been retreating by about 10 feet (3m) per Mars year since Mars Global Surveyor arrived in 1999. These images (seen above) compare the same region in 1999 to 2005. Mars seems to be in a warming spell. Dry ice turns to gas on the mesas' sides, but no new ice is being deposited. Over time, the polar pits will merge into plains, mesas will shrink into buttes, and buttes will vanish forever."
Unquote.
Damned martians. It seems that they too are poluting their world.
Or... Maybe we need to get to know our Sun a bit better before jumping off a cliff. There are known "sea shores" from gelogical and even historical times that are 240 feet above current sea levels. I wonder how they could have been that much higher than today. I'll bet it was because the earth was warmer at that time.
Everyone should be required to take "gullibility" lessons. Global warming is worth billions of dollars because of the unending ability of preachers,snake oil salesmen and fanatics to fool "all the people part of the time".
I would argue that until we understand the nature of the Known variability of Sol, any "pronouncements" to do with climate is just quackery. I would compare it to studying the melting point of tin without using a thermometer, but by studying the viscosity of the tin.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyHeck, I created a forum on this a couple of months back so the stats are still fresh in my mind. (Global warming or global worrying)
In the January issue of Astronomy Magazine on page 32 in the "news" section, is a bit from Mars. I quote:
"SHRINKING MESAS. Mesas of dry ice at the martian south pole have been retreating by about 10 feet (3m) per Mars year since Mars Global Surveyor arrived in 1999. These images (seen above) compare the same region in 1999 to 2005. Mars seems to be ...[text shortened]... oint of tin without using a thermometer, but by studying the viscosity of the tin.
The mean worldwide average temperature last year was higher than the long term average, the chances of that happening are 2^11. That's a chance of 2048 to 1.
The mean global average temp has been higher than the long term mean every year for the last 20 years. The odds of that happening are somewhere around half a million to one. Still want to take that bet?
The rate of sea increase was somewhere around 1.6mm / year from the 1700's through to the early 1900's, when it doubled to 3.2mm / year. It has subsequently increased again. (at the end of the last ice age sea level was about 160 metres lower due to decreased temperature and the amount of water locked up as ice. The english channel reformed around 5400 years ago.)
The area of sea ice is steadily decreasing year on year, there are many studies which verify this.
Global climate change it predicted to increase the variability of weather patterns, and their intensity, for example, europe 2003, over 10,000 die as a result of heat stress and there was widespread drought. 2005 is the most intense storm season in the south coast of the US ever recorded.
These phenomena cannot be explained either by Milankovich cycles (22,000 year periodicity) or by solar flare cycles (11 years on average). It is unwise to deny our impact and blame the sun without evidence.
This is getting serious guys - as a species we have to change our ways.
Originally posted by scottishinnzby changing our ways we could achieve.....what?
Heck, I created a forum on this a couple of months back so the stats are still fresh in my mind. (Global warming or global worrying)
The mean worldwide average temperature last year was higher than the long term average, the chances of that happening are 2^11. That's a chance of 2048 to 1.
The mean global average temp has been higher than the l ...[text shortened]... without evidence.
This is getting serious guys - as a species we have to change our ways.
Originally posted by scottishinnzWhat bet? That we are currently warming? That is a known. The question is "Why and to what extent" are we warming.
Heck, I created a forum on this a couple of months back so the stats are still fresh in my mind. (Global warming or global worrying)
The mean worldwide average temperature last year was higher than the long term average, the chances of that happening are 2^11. That's a chance of 2048 to 1.
The mean global average temp has been higher than the l without evidence.
This is getting serious guys - as a species we have to change our ways.
And further... Is that a bad thing or a good thing? I think that we can trace the great exodus from Africa 40,000 years ago and get a good notion. At that time, we know that the sea levels were about 200 feet higher than todays sea level. Then the seas retreated in a very rapid fashion for some reason. The people were left without food and the rest is history. The exodus out of africa began and I hold that even though "only a few thousand" humans survived that exodus, it was a good thing. I'm betting that the next extinction will see "tens of thousands" of survivors.
There is no doubt that the earth is warming. There is also no doubt that humans use energy. Are you saying that we should stop using energy and/or causing pollution? To what extent? Total or partial?
Or is it good enough just to have the Americans stop polluting?
We should wean off energy that pollutes excessively. There are much cleaner was than burning oil and coal for heat and energy. The untapped power of the sun, wind, geothermal hotspots and hydroelectricity are yet to be exploited. We as a species that everything is hunky dory right now, when in truth we are close to destroying much of the animals and plants (not to mention people) on Earth today.
Originally posted by ivangriceYou're so right
Hell, 20 years ago we were being told we were going to hit a new Ice Age in the next few years...
http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm
The title of this article is "The Cooling World" and it appeared in the April 28, 1975 issue of Newsweek.
One of the 'solutions' proposed at the time was to "melt the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot".
Originally posted by TheBloopYes.
You're so right
http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm
The title of this article is "The Cooling World" and it appeared in the April 28, 1975 issue of Newsweek.
One of the 'solutions' proposed at the time was to "melt the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot".
Basically I think Humans should be destroyed and leave regulating the world up to mother nature....
It would seem we only have crap ideas anyways.
Originally posted by TheBloopIn 30 more years, someone will post current articles:
You're so right
http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm
The title of this article is "The Cooling World" and it appeared in the April 28, 1975 issue of Newsweek.
One of the 'solutions' proposed at the time was to "melt the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot".
Titled "Global Warming"
Along with the Kyoto solution. 😉
Originally posted by StarValleyWy40,000 years ago we were in the middle of an ice age that lasted from 108,000 years ago to 18,000 years ago. According to the URL below the sea level was around 80 LOWER than it currently is today.
What bet? That we are currently warming? That is a known. The question is "Why and to what extent" are we warming.
And further... Is that a bad thing or a good thing? I think that we can trace the great exodus from Africa 40,000 years ago and get a good notion. At that time, we know that the sea levels were about 200 feet higher than todays sea level ent? Total or partial?
Or is it good enough just to have the Americans stop polluting?
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig11-4.htm
You think tens of thousands will survive the next catastophic event? So, you're quite happy about the other 6 billion dying then?
And, no, i don't think only Americans should reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. I think everyone should, but since the US produces nearly a quarter of all GHG emissions, more than any other country (more than china and india (with a population around 10 times that of the US) combined) then the US has to start to do something.