Where is the praise from left wingers on this site for the Republicans who voted to raise the debt ceiling? Where is the gleeful celebration for a Congress that has stiff armed the obstructionists who wish to reign in spending?
Here is the breakdown.
1. John Boehner OH
2. Eric Cantor VA
3. Kevin McCarthy CA
4. Peter Roskan IL
5. John Shimkus IL
6. Devin Nunes CA
7. Hal Rogers KY
8. Dave Camp MI
9 Howard Mckeon CA
10 Darrell Issa CA
11. Ed Royce CA
12. Howard Koble NC
13. Jon Runyan NJ
14. Frank Wolf CA
15. Ken Calvert CA
16. Crhis Collins NY
17. Charlie Dent PA
18. Mike Fitzpatrick PA
19. Michael Grimm NY
20. Richard Hanna NY
21. Doc Hastings WA
22. Peter King NY
23. Frank Lobiondie NJ
24. Pat Meechan PA
25. Gary Miller CA
26. Gary Miller CA
27. Dave Reichert WA
28. Christopher Smith NJ
29 David Valadao CA
So sing the praises everyone who have enough insight to know that we cannot ever make spending cuts, but we must increase the debt ceiling by trillions monthly to keep people from dying in the steets.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraI can't recall any "right winger" advocating repudiation of the debt. Continuing the status quo does exactly that. Eventually both the old and new debt can't be serviced, and repudiation is the only option. The Federal government spends so much in excess of revenue, and the current debt is so large, it always looks insurmountable, so the popular retort to spending restraint is, "that's a drop in the bucket".
Here's a thought if you want to reduce spending: reduce spending. Not paying back money you borrowed - maybe not the best way.
Originally posted by normbenignActually, the "status quo" is a rapidly shrinking budget deficit:
I can't recall any "right winger" advocating repudiation of the debt. Continuing the status quo does exactly that. Eventually both the old and new debt can't be serviced, and repudiation is the only option. The Federal government spends so much in excess of revenue, and the current debt is so large, it always looks insurmountable, so the popular retort to spending restraint is, "that's a drop in the bucket".
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-12/budget-deficit-in-u-s-shrinks-oct-jan-on-8-2-rise-in-revenue.html
Here is the breakdown of the above for the GOP filth.
1. 8 from California (a state where they are either democrat or vote democrat)
2. 4 are from New York (a state that is like California)
3. 3 are from New Jersey (home of Chris Cream puff progressives)
4. 3 are from Pennsylvannia (the new liberal state)
5. 2 are from Illionios (a state where I did not know Republicans were allowed to enter)
6. 2 are from Washington (the left coast)
7. 2 are from Virgina (a state like Pennsylvannia that is now blue)
8. 1 is from Michigan (Voters must have thought he was a democrat)
9. 1 is from Ohio (John Boehner, the voice of the GOP and at war with the Tea Party and untouchable)
10. 1 is from Kentucky (he is toast next election)
11. 1 if from North Carolina (Another crispy cridder come next election)
So there you have it. Out of all the Republicans who voted democrat only 2 appear to be on the hot seat next election.
Apparently Ted Cruz temporarily blocked a final vote on the debt ceiling which forced Mitch McConnell from KY to vote yea as well as John Cornyn from TX. Both were enraged about having to make a potentially career ending stand to embrace fiscal madness. Both should be toast come next election. 😵
http://news.yahoo.com/improved-ted-cruz-infuriates-colleagues-180200983.html
Originally posted by whodeyI have to laugh that you think Pennsylvania is a "liberal" state. But yes, it is getting bluer with time, as is Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Colorado, and Texas.
Here is the breakdown of the above for the GOP filth.
1. 8 from California (a state where they are either democrat or vote democrat)
2. 4 are from New York (a state that is like California)
3. 3 are from New Jersey (home of Chris Cream puff progressives)
4. 3 are from Pennsylvannia (the new liberal state)
5. 2 are from Illionios (a state where I d ...[text shortened]... Out of all the Republicans who voted democrat only 2 appear to be on the hot seat next election.
Where ya gonna run, Whodey? I'm sure they're keeping your Kool-Aid chilled in Bumfart, Oklahoma.
Originally posted by whodeyThere is a thing called a "budget" where government expenditure is outlined. If politicians want to reduce spending, they can pass a budget that reduces spending.
Apparently Ted Cruz temporarily blocked a final vote on the debt ceiling which forced Mitch McConnell from KY to vote yea as well as John Cornyn from TX. Both were enraged about having to make a potentially career ending stand to embrace fiscal madness. Both should be toast come next election. 😵
http://news.yahoo.com/improved-ted-cruz-infuriates-colleagues-180200983.html
Originally posted by SoothfastAs you point out, soon the entire nation will be blue. Then the nation can be declared legally dead as tyranny takes over, just like it has historically throughout the history of mankind. At that point, you can surrender your freedom economically by allowing the government to rape you just to barely survive. You already have surrendered your privacy to the NSA, and await them to detain you without due process of law that Obama has allowed by signing the NDAA.
I have to laugh that you think Pennsylvania is a "liberal" state. But yes, it is getting bluer with time, as is Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Colorado, and Texas.
Where ya gonna run, Whodey? I'm sure they're keeping your Kool-Aid chilled in Bumfart, Oklahoma.
In the interim though, politicians like McConnell are livid that they were made to vote for raising the debt ceiling, because they know that their constituents oppose it. They just needed more time, for which they don't have. However, they are all good little progressive soldiers who are willing to fall on their swords for their great leader Obama.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraCongress can't even pass budgets, and when they do, they raise the bar each time.
There is a thing called a "budget" where government expenditure is outlined. If politicians want to reduce spending, they can pass a budget that reduces spending.
There is no reform here. The Federal government has based their power upon spending and throwing the money at every person and country and state in the world. Without it, they would curl up in a ball like an alcolhoic without his bottle and go into DT's and die.
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Originally posted by whodeySo the other 27 represented their districts' wishes, as evidenced by their likely reelection. Democracy. How quaint.
Here is the breakdown of the above for the GOP filth.
1. 8 from California (a state where they are either democrat or vote democrat)
2. 4 are from New York (a state that is like California)
3. 3 are from New Jersey (home of Chris Cream puff progressives)
4. 3 are from Pennsylvannia (the new liberal state)
5. 2 are from Illionios (a state where I d ...[text shortened]... Out of all the Republicans who voted democrat only 2 appear to be on the hot seat next election.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraDefaulting is not a solution the whole point of the debt ceiling is to keep debt under a certain level. Simply raising the debt ceiling without changing spending defeats it purpose. Real meaning spending cuts should be made so that debt ceiling are not merely lifted each time we reach them. That however will never be done because government rather continually expand even if it means borrowing more and more and more.
So defaulting on the debt repayment is the solution?
Originally posted by quackquackThey will default if they fail to raise the debt ceiling every month.
Defaulting is not a solution the whole point of the debt ceiling is to keep debt under a certain level. Simply raising the debt ceiling without changing spending defeats it purpose. Real meaning spending cuts should be made so that debt ceiling are not merely lifted each time we reach them. That however will never be done because government rather continually expand even if it means borrowing more and more and more.
Anyone who fails to go along with the spending will then be labeled an obstructionist and demonized.
That is why the system cannot be reformed from the inside. State need to rise up and demand the spending be decreased by amending the Constitution.
Originally posted by quackquackIf you have a debt ceiling without spending limits, you will either have to raise the ceiling or default. Since defaulting is not a desirable option, the debt ceiling is pointless without additional spending restraints.
Defaulting is not a solution the whole point of the debt ceiling is to keep debt under a certain level. Simply raising the debt ceiling without changing spending defeats it purpose. Real meaning spending cuts should be made so that debt ceiling are not merely lifted each time we reach them. That however will never be done because government rather continually expand even if it means borrowing more and more and more.
But if you have spending limits, then you don't need a debt ceiling, since your spending is already limited below some value. The debt ceiling is just an amazingly retarded law that should be repealed altogether.