06 Oct 10
Originally posted by whodeyYou are right. Republicans do not want to solve our fiscal problems. Neither do Democrats. But that's not because Republicans and Democrats are bad. They just know that campaigning on broad-based tax increase and wide-spread spending cuts is political suicide.
They give lip service to balancing the budget but did anything but the last time they were in power. They say they want to repeal Obamacare but under Bush implemented one of the largest entitlements in US history. In fact, even Obama joked about not knowing how to pay for it. Most of them applaud the continued conflicts overseas but what really needs to b ...[text shortened]... e Patriot Act simply because Bush proposed it but the idea apalls me. How is that for starters?
06 Oct 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackAll I can tell you is if you like the current regime and its policies by all means vote for them again and again and again.
OK! So, like me, you don't recommend that anyone cast a vote for any Republicans. They have all been shown to be complete and total liars. Look at that Miller guy in Alaska that maintains that unemployment insurance is unconstitutional but gladly accepts it every chance he gets (just like farm subsidies!) Similarly, Angle in Nevada pledges never to be i ...[text shortened]... of capable of judging whether someone can be trusted based on past performance - are you?)
06 Oct 10
Originally posted by telerionThe Tea Party is a new kid on the block. I am waiting to see how hard they come down on Republicans who continue fiscal insanity. If it was all a ruse simply to get Republicans back in power, it will die off. However, if it continues its jihad against the Washington establishment then it will never die.
You are right. Republicans do not want to solve our fiscal problems. Neither do Democrats. But that's not because Republicans and Democrats are bad. They just know that campaigning on broad-based tax increase and wide-spread spending cuts is political suicide.
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06 Oct 10
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Originally posted by whodeySo what do you know about this Ashjian guy in Nevada? What policies does he support?
The Tea Party is a new kid on the block. I am waiting to see how hard they come down on Republicans who continue fiscal insanity. If it was all a ruse simply to get Republicans back in power, it will die off. However, if it continues its jihad against the Washington establishment then it will never die.
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Originally posted by vistesdNo, I’m saying that I see nothing in the Tea Party’s proclamations that recognize that “the masses” that you mentioned are multi-ethnic, multi-religious, etc., rather than some monolithic abvtract concept. Who do you think “the masses” are? You are the one who brought up the phrase! Remember: “the masses” before whom Democrats dangle certain things that the Republicans are opposed to?
The Tea Partiers are Republicans (whether establishment or not). They're just more right-wing and intolerant. They no more represent the multi-ethnic, multi-religious, masses of the citizenry of this country than did/does John McCain.
And, if the Tea Party does not represent, generally, Republican thinking—which propositions of the GOP’s Pledge do the Tea Partiers specifically oppose? Which do you, as a Tea Partier (and self-proclaimed “not a Republican” ) oppose?
And please quit pulling that crap of "So you're saying...", and then putting words in my mouth that I did not say. If I want to call anybody a racist or a bigot, I will use those words so there will be no mistake.
06 Oct 10
Originally posted by vistesdThe Tea Party does not bother itself with race and religion. The Tea Party is about one thing which is promoting limited government and individual liberty much like the Founding Fathers invisioned. This means that no matter your race or religious tendencies, if you share this belief you are welcomed.
No, I’m saying that I see nothing in the Tea Party’s proclamations that recognize that “the masses” that you mentioned are multi-ethnic, multi-religious, etc., rather than some monolithic abvtract concept. Who do you think “the masses” are? [b]You are the one who brought up the phrase! Remember: “the masses” before whom Democrats dangle ...[text shortened]... want to call anybody a racist or a bigot, I will use those words so there will be no mistake.[/b]
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07 Oct 10
Originally posted by whodeySo what about Scott Ashjian? What is his platform? That Angle woman is a lying idiot. Who should we vote for?
The Tea Party does not bother itself with race and religion. The Tea Party is about one thing which is promoting limited government and individual liberty much like the Founding Fathers invisioned. This means that no matter your race or religious tendencies, if you share this belief you are welcomed.
07 Oct 10
Originally posted by telerionIn the political "market", politicians supply what the voters want to hear.
You are right. Republicans do not want to solve our fiscal problems. Neither do Democrats. But that's not because Republicans and Democrats are bad. They just know that campaigning on broad-based tax increase and wide-spread spending cuts is political suicide.
If the voters reward hyperbole and ranting, that's what they will get. If the voters reward reasonable discussion, that's what they will get. Unfortunately, there are a fair few voters who reward demagogues.
The usual answer, then, is to no longer trust the politicians themselves, but to trust neutral, third-party analysis OF the politicians. But where does one find THAT?!?
07 Oct 10
Originally posted by telerionincrease terms to 6 yrs and start doing the right thing in year 2 such that they still have 4 yrs to effect change. while the people may not like the bait and switch manoevre, if good sound fiscal policies are enacted, the party might even gain support at the next election.
You are right. Republicans do not want to solve our fiscal problems. Neither do Democrats. But that's not because Republicans and Democrats are bad. They just know that campaigning on broad-based tax increase and wide-spread spending cuts is political suicide.
07 Oct 10
Originally posted by spruce112358Why, right here on the RHP Debates forum, of course.
In the political "market", politicians supply what the voters want to hear.
If the voters reward hyperbole and ranting, that's what they will get. If the voters reward reasonable discussion, that's what they will get. Unfortunately, there are a fair few voters who reward demagogues.
The usual answer, then, is to no longer trust the politicians the ...[text shortened]... t to trust neutral, third-party analysis OF the politicians. But where does one find THAT?!?
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08 Oct 10
Originally posted by DrKFBut when are we going to get some information on Tea Party candidates? I am willing to listen to the platform but as soon as you ask the question all the supporters disappear. Are they ashamed to tell us what they stand for? Heck, when I even asked who the Tea Party candidate was in Connecticut a low-life crawled up and tried to bite me. I am beginning to think that the Tea Party does not exist and word of it is just evidence that Beck and Limbaugh are back on drugs.
Why, right here on the RHP Debates forum, of course.
23 Oct 10
Originally posted by KazetNagorraBoth the Republicans and the "Tea Party" are proxies for the corporations that fund them both.
But since the Tea Party is just a proxy of the GOP that isn't going to happen.
Ironically, the real Boston Tea Party was a protest against the British Empire's corporate tax cut for the East India Tea Company.
23 Oct 10
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Originally posted by whodeyTax cuts have seem to be politically mandated to the point where balanced budgets have been very difficult since 1980. Clinton managed to balance the budget in spite of this pressure, although he may have cut domestic spending back too much to be feasible in the long term. Balancing the budget was dead easy prior to 1980.
http://pledge.gop.gov/
Has anyone read this pledge? It sounds like a bunch of hollow generalized goals to work towards. In fact, I read that Minority leader John Boehner has said that the public angst was not anti-estlablishment, rather, it was anti-Obama. Excuse me Mr. Boehner, who showed Obama how to drive up deficits and expand government? Why are w ...[text shortened]... n't government spending pretty much mandated to the point that balanced budgets are impossible?
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Obama hasn't increased the deficit. He actually decreased it slightly compared to the $1.4 trillion deficit he inherited -- and that's awfully impressive, given that Obama inherited an economic crisis that needed Keynesian stimulus spending to fix it.
Edit: Now the Republicans want to add another $700 billion to the deficit by spending it on tax cuts for the rich, which are next to useless for the economy because the rich save most of their money anyway.
23 Oct 10
Originally posted by whodeySo let's shift the tax burden off the middle class, and onto the rich and corporations. That's where it was during the New Deal era when the US was thriving.
Of course the immediate concern are jobs. However, the bottom line is that Americans are sick of federal spending and ballooning deficits. Americans know that the higher the spending goes the bigger load working Americans will have to carry. Soon that load may be to such an extent that working does not really seem worth while.
I started another thread t ...[text shortened]... dea of what they are voting for because if they did, they would in no way vote for these smucks.
Stimulus spending is necessary to fix this economic crisis. We'd be doing much better by now if the Republicans hadn't obstructed further spending on jobs. In the long run, the national debt will be bigger and more consequential if not enough stimulus spending is implemented to fix the economic crisis.