19 Jul 10
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Originally posted by MacSwainOriginally posted by MacSwain Aug. ‘09
This terrorist has prostate cancer. Perhaps you don't know it is the slowest acting cancer of all? In fact, many men over 60 years of age who are first diagnosed with start of prostate cancer are advised not to bother with treatment because the cancer is so slow acting.
Before you say it...Yes, I have read doctors have given him 3 months to live, lets wait and see. If he is still around next year it will be the most important hoax ever perpetrated on Scotland.
ps - There will be celebration in Libya...count on a hero's reception.
(Reply by DrKF)
Originally posted by DrKF Aug. ‘09
Well, whatever might have been said in advance of his repatriation, I don't think you win any prizes whatsoever for prescience in predicting the reception he would receive. I'll grant you that if he's managed to fool several doctors in to believing he has advanced prostate cancer and in fact goes on to live a long and happy life back in Libya, what is at present nothing more than a rather nasty insinuation will make you seem like wise old owl, though. As you say, we shall see.
Originally posted by MacSwain Aug. ‘09
Already, Muammar Qaddafi’s promise there would not be a hero’s reception and celebration is shown to be rubbish.
Wait 89 days and it will be seen if the “going home to die” portion is also rubbish.
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Now it is noted, as predicted, the same doctor who gave this murderer of nearly 300 innocents only 3 months to live August last, has now changed his prognosis. He now predicts Al Megrahi to enjoy another 10 wonderful years.
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In addition the other penny seems to have dropped. This report stating BP exerted coercion for Al Megrahi’s release for £900 million in offshore drilling 'quid pro quo' given them by a grateful Libya. a miniscule portion of which could buy a doctors favourable (for Al Megrahi's release) prognosis.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7892112/BP-admits-lobbying-UK-over-Libya-prisoner-transfer-scheme-but-not-Lockerbie-bomber.html
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What was done is done. However, there is no reason to accept the result of this travesty now that the world can see it for what it is: A CRIMINAL HOAX based on premeditated lies, pay-offs and grand conspiracies to defeat the rule of law and justice. Are we sheep that when we can see clearly the diabolical ruse and it's result that we stand quietly by and let it stand?
There are two steps that need to be started immediately:
First and Foremost- Demand Al Megrahi's IMMEDIATE return to serve his sentence
Secondly- Initiate investigations to uncover ALL participants in this criminal hoax, what doctors were paid off and by whom, what politicos were knowingly involved and find the complete routing payoffs to enable the £900 millions bribe. Use this information to prosecute those involved, plus remove law and medical license for those who falsified and misrepresented reports
There had to be loads of individuals at many levels of government and business (BP) to carry this off. They should be made examples of for those who would contemplate future nefarious conspiracies.
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19 Jul 10
Originally posted by MacSwainDon't hold your breath. Money is involved, a great deal of money, and cash trumps human life and good sense every time. Why should it not?
Originally posted by MacSwain [b]Aug. ‘09
This terrorist has prostate cancer. Perhaps you don't know it is the slowest acting cancer of all? In fact, many men over 60 years of age who are first diagnosed with start of prostate cancer are advised not to bother with treatment because the cancer is so slow acting.
Before you say it...Yes, I ha ...[text shortened]... uld be made examples of for those who would contemplate future nefarious conspiracies.[/b]
19 Jul 10
Originally posted by Hugh GlassThe reason for this, though, is that they are held in different countries with different prison plicies.
Yes, I agree with you..... have we let the Uni-bomber out ( Kyzinsky ) or Charles Manson? Not on your life, yet this guy killed 270 people,, it's a slap in the face of the entire world.
In Scotland, we have a policy of releasing prisoners who the doctors tell us are terminally ill. Dozens of such prisoners are releaed each year.
If Kyzinsky, or Manson for that matter, were held in Scottish prisons and diagnosed as terminally ill, they'd be considered for release.
I understand peope in the US and elsewhere don't like this, but this is how our system works.
19 Jul 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotThat would be Jack Straw.
i heard that John Straw copped to it.
and that the UK put the squeeze on Scotland to do it, not that it was necessarily in Scotland's best interests.
But the Scottish government isn't going to bow to pressure from the UK government - different parties in power, lots of tension.
And the UK government, including Straw, distanced themselves from the decision.
19 Jul 10
Originally posted by RedmikeMacSwain's posted this link above:
That would be Jack Straw.
But the Scottish government isn't going to bow to pressure from the UK government - different parties in power, lots of tension.
And the UK government, including Straw, distanced themselves from the decision.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7892112/BP-admits-lobbying-UK-over-Libya-prisoner-transfer-scheme-but-not-Lockerbie-bomber.html
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Last year Jack Straw admitted to The Daily Telegraph that Libyan trade and oil were an "essential part'' of the Government's decision to include the bomber in the PTA.
The former Justice Secretary said he was unapologetic about including Abdelbaset al Megrahi in the agreement, citing a multi-million-pound oil deal signed by BP and Libya six weeks later.
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19 Jul 10
Originally posted by MacSwainNice one! Man, I wish I could do that. The only time I ever made a prediction that actually came to pas (and wasn't obvious to anyone with a brain) was the Nancy Kerrigan-Tanya Harding knee-bash incident.
[i]Originally posted by MacSwain [b]Aug. ‘09
This terrorist has prostate cancer. Perhaps you don't know it is the slowest acting cancer of all? In fact, many men over 60 years of age who are first diagnosed with start of prostate cancer are advised not to bother with treatment because the cancer is so slow acting.
Before you say it...Yes, I have r ...[text shortened]... /BP-admits-lobbying-UK-over-Libya-prisoner-transfer-scheme-but-not-Lockerbie-bomber.html[/b]
You nailed it, sir.
19 Jul 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotThere are 2 different things going on. There's the prospect of a prisoner transfer agreement, which BP lobbied the UK government on.
MacSwain's posted this link above:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7892112/BP-admits-lobbying-UK-over-Libya-prisoner-transfer-scheme-but-not-Lockerbie-bomber.html
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Last year Jack Straw admitted to The Daily Telegraph that Libyan trade and oil were an "essential part'' of the Government's decision to include the ...[text shortened]... ment, citing a multi-million-pound oil deal signed by BP and Libya six weeks later.
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But this wasn't about any specific prisoner, and could only cover prisoners in England and Wales (Jack Straw's turf).
There's also the compassionate release of Al-M, by the Scottish goverment, in line with our policy on teminally ill prisoners.
There's no evidence that BP lobbied the Scottish government, nor that Straw appled any pressure on Scotland.
19 Jul 10
Well then, if that's the way business works in other parts of the country, I'm sure we have some cards in the game as well? How about setting Ramsi Usef free from the federal Pen in Denver first,, heck all he did was blow up a van and kill a dozen or so people in the first trade center attack...
Wonder what we could get for KSM, and his cronies??
Sick way to operate a legal system....
Al Capone did die in prison....
Ted Bundy did too...
19 Jul 10
Originally posted by Redmike"Last year Jack Straw admitted to The Daily Telegraph that Libyan trade and oil were an "essential part'' of the Government's decision to include the bomber in the PTA. "
There are 2 different things going on. There's the prospect of a prisoner transfer agreement, which BP lobbied the UK government on.
But this wasn't about any specific prisoner, and could only cover prisoners in England and Wales (Jack Straw's turf).
There's also the compassionate release of Al-M, by the Scottish goverment, in line with our policy on ...[text shortened]... ce that BP lobbied the Scottish government, nor that Straw appled any pressure on Scotland.
19 Jul 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotJack Straw's wrong, or the Telegraph's wrong.
"Last year Jack Straw admitted to The Daily Telegraph that Libyan trade and oil were an "essential part'' of the Government's decision to include the bomber in the PTA. "
He can't include Al-M in the PTA, his jurisdiction doesn't cover Scotland.
20 Jul 10
"He said Straw had unsuccessfully tried to accommodate the wish of the Scottish government to exclude Megrahi from agreement. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6814939.ece
August 30, 2009
Lockerbie bomber 'set free for oil'
Jason Allardyce
The British government decided it was “in the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom” to make Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber, eligible for return to Libya, leaked ministerial letters reveal.
Gordon Brown’s government made the decision after discussions between Libya and BP over a multi-million-pound oil exploration deal had hit difficulties. These were resolved soon afterwards.
The letters were sent two years ago by Jack Straw, the justice secretary, to Kenny MacAskill, his counterpart in Scotland, who has been widely criticised for taking the formal decision to permit Megrahi’s release.
The correspondence makes it plain that the key decision to include Megrahi in a deal with Libya to allow prisoners to return home was, in fact, taken in London for British national interests.
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A Ministry of Justice spokesman denied there had been a U-turn, but said trade considerations had been a factor in negotiating the prisoner exchange deal. He said Straw had unsuccessfully tried to accommodate the wish of the Scottish government to exclude Megrahi from agreement.
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20 Jul 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotBut this is just not factually correct.
"He said Straw had unsuccessfully tried to accommodate the wish of the Scottish government to exclude Megrahi from agreement. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6814939.ece
August 30, 2009
Lockerbie bomber 'set free for oil'
Jason Allardyce
The British government decided it was “in the overwhelming interests of the United Ki ...[text shortened]... o accommodate the wish of the Scottish government to exclude Megrahi from agreement.
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Al-M could never have been part of Straw's PTA -he wasn't in an English prison.
There was a PTA set up by Straw - Al-M wasn't part of it.
"Gordon Brown’s government made the decision" - no, they didn't make the decision.
The Times isn't the authoritive source it was.