07 Feb 08
Originally posted by RagnorakA) So-called "global warming" might be false -- 20 or 30 years from now, you will all be looking back on this and talking about the good ole' days when Al Gore was at the height of his powers and had a large part of the West in the grip of "global warming" hysteria. By the way, global cooling starts in another four years -- I suggest you start stocking up on coal now if you live in Europe or the Midwest or Eastern United States.
You seem to be missing a whole lot of points.
A) Global warming might be true. If it is, the hit to the economy could be epic.
B) Nobody likes pollution. You can either pay for clean up operations when it may be too late (ie: dead zones in lakes, seas, etc, etc) or you can subsidize preventative measures now.
C) Fossil fuels WILL run out eventually. I ...[text shortened]... rubbish? I can't believe that you enjoy having your links shot down time and time again.
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http://planetdaily.ws/index.php/site/more/77/
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/7/31/154322.shtml
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071219/COMMENTARY/10575140/1012
B)The United States, despite press reports to the contrary and the fact that we rejected the Kyoto Protocols, is doing a better job than Europe to lower CO2 emissions.
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20804
C)We don't know that fossil fuels WILL run out before we wean ourselves from them. "Peak Oil" theory, just like "Global Warming" alarmism, have both been oversold.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23073345-5005200,00.html
Gee, for somebody as liberal as you think you are, you don't seem like you have a nuanced view of the issues. In fact, you seem pretty rigid in your thinking.
07 Feb 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritteryou know better.
Then by your and Al Gore's estimation, we shouldn't worry about so-called "global warming" either since the worst predictions won't come true until 100 years from now?
More silly prattling from the aptly named "useless."
You can't all of a sudden decide, ok we're going to fix the hot planet thing by next week. It takes time to fix it.
08 Feb 08
Originally posted by zeeblebotNo, it's a bit depopulated.
like it's not filled up with trees and animals now?!?! 😲
The Waterberg in South Africa's one place where ecotourism (including hunting) has replaced cattle farming, leading to the regeneration of wilderness, including original plant species, and the reintroduction of certain big mammals. So it's gone from wilderness to wasteland back to wilderness.
Is there some sort of imperative to fill the wilderness?
08 Feb 08
Originally posted by uzlessWrong again -- I've never once been so presumptuous as to believe that mere mortal man has any influence whatsoever over something so awesome, so powerful and so complex as the earth's climate.
you know better.
You can't all of a sudden decide, ok we're going to fix the hot planet thing by next week. It takes time to fix it.
08 Feb 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterHow am I rigid in my thinking?
Gee, for somebody as liberal as you think you are, you don't seem like you have a nuanced view of the issues. In fact, you seem pretty rigid in your thinking.
I stated that Global Warming might be true. Where's the rigidity in that?
I categorically stated that nobody likes pollution alright, but show me somebody who likes smog filled air, and filthy rivers, and I'll show you a clown.
I stated that Fossil fuels will run out. This has to be a fact, as they are a finite resource created over millenia. You state that we'll have weaned ourselves off them, while condemning any steps to do just that.
I made a joke post about how you ONLY value production. Nothing else is to be considered apart from production. You may be aware that you share a lot with the people who original coined the phrase "Arbeit Macht Frei".
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09 Feb 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIs American agriculture subsidized?
If you have to subsidize "green" technologies, then they're not ready. Even worse, by taking money from one sector to prop up an unproductive one harms the whole economy. Like it or not, fossil fuels are going to be with us for some time.
Would military spending be seen as an unproductive sector being propped up by a productive one? And as harming the economy?
09 Feb 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterHow narrow minded, of course we have the ability to affect global climate change. What do you think would happen if we set off every nuclear weapon on the planet? Nuclear winter. We are essentially doing the same thing, but at a slower rate.
Wrong again -- I've never once been so presumptuous as to believe that mere mortal man has any influence whatsoever over something so awesome, so powerful and so complex as the earth's climate.
09 Feb 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterHow do you manage to be both modest and extraordinarily arrogant?!
Wrong again -- I've never once been so presumptuous as to believe that mere mortal man has any influence whatsoever over something so awesome, so powerful and so complex as the earth's climate.
"the world is such a complex and powerful place, man is totally incapable of doing anything negative or positive to it... so let's just do whatever the hell we want!"
Also, what's your infatuation with Al Gore? Isn't he a bit old for you? How many AGWers here have said that he doesn't use hype. I for one can see perfectly well that he hypes things up, I also agree that that is a bad thing, but to take the leap of retarded logic that if one person who promotes action against AGW is twisting the truth, then it ALL must be wrong is beyond the capabilities of a 6 year old.
Out of curiosity, are you really such an illogical nut-job in real life or are you a method actor preparing for an upcoming movie or something?
09 Feb 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterNope, only fictional characters with multiple personallity disorder have that kind of power, eh?
Wrong again -- I've never once been so presumptuous as to believe that mere mortal man has any influence whatsoever over something so awesome, so powerful and so complex as the earth's climate.
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