24 Mar 17
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Originally posted by SuzianneI'm saying that the powers that be decided long ago that was the goal.
Wow, did someone suddenly whack you in the head with some kind of intelligence stick?
Actually, the odds are that you are just 'taking the piss' here, and don't actually believe this.
Now it's all play acting to get there with both parties complicit.
Obamacare was never meant to work for long
24 Mar 17
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Originally posted by no1marauderI think it's a bluff.
Minutes ago this tidbit:
UPDATE: 7:42 p.m.: President Donald Trump is demanding a vote Friday in the House on the Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney said. If the bill fails, Trump is prepared to move on and leave Obamacare in place, Mulvaney said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-fr ...[text shortened]... -caucus-health-care-236418
An interesting gambit from the Donald. Will the Freedom boys fold?
If Congress sits on it for three more months and passes a similar bill that's a little more thought out, does anyone really thing he'll veto it just to spite them for not passing it on March 24?
24 Mar 17
Originally posted by sh76I'll be surprised if the conservatives fold. They've been promising their voters they were going to repeal this thing a lot longer than Trump has, and they don't view this as a true repeal. I think it's more likely that Ryan pulls the bill. Ideologues for the win!
I think it's a bluff.
If Congress sits on it for three more months and passes a similar bill that's a little more thought out, does anyone really thing he'll veto it just to spite them for not passing it on March 24?
24 Mar 17
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Originally posted by SleepyguyIt now looks almost certain that they'll either pull the vote off the table or that, if there's a vote, it will be soundly defeated.
I'll be surprised if the conservatives fold. They've been promising their voters they were going to repeal this thing a lot longer than Trump has, and they don't view this as a true repeal. I think it's more likely that Ryan pulls the bill. Ideologues for the win!
Nobody seems to have the stomach to fight to kill Obamacare if all you're replacing it with is Obamacare lite.
Trump gets to play the victim and scream about how horrible the establishment is, etc. etc. etc. whereas a repeal would have hurt his base in the long run.
I'll bet Trump is secretly breathing a sigh of relief.
24 Mar 17
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Originally posted by sh76Yes, and he's also realizing that Ryan is an idiot.
It now looks almost certain that they'll either pull the vote off the table or that, if there's a vote, it will be soundly defeated.
Nobody seems to have the stomach to fight to kill Obamacare if all you're replacing it with is Obamacare lite.
Trump gets to play the victim and scream about how horrible the establishment is, etc. etc. etc. whereas a repeal ...[text shortened]... ld have hurt his base in the long run.
I'll bet Trump is secretly breathing a sigh of relief.
24 Mar 17
Originally posted by EladarWell, except that Trump is not a conservative. What this may lead to is Trump, the RINO's, and the Democrats starting to work together and freezing out the conservatives, in other words the beginning of the end of meaningful influence for conservatives in the US, or in other other words, why we really needed Cruz to win the election.
Send Trump the same bill they sent to Obama last year which was to repeal Obamacare.
Put it for a vote and see how many turncoats we get because now it would get signed.
24 Mar 17
Originally posted by SleepyguyTrump said he'd repeal Obamacare. A veto would prove him to be just another Obama.
Well, except that Trump is not a conservative. What this may lead to is Trump, the RINO's, and the Democrats starting to work together and freezing out the conservatives, in other words the beginning of the end of meaningful influence for conservatives in the US, or in other other words, why we really needed Cruz to win the election.
24 Mar 17
Originally posted by sh76They pulled it
It now looks almost certain that they'll either pull the vote off the table or that, if there's a vote, it will be soundly defeated.
Nobody seems to have the stomach to fight to kill Obamacare if all you're replacing it with is Obamacare lite.
Trump gets to play the victim and scream about how horrible the establishment is, etc. etc. etc. whereas a repeal ...[text shortened]... ld have hurt his base in the long run.
I'll bet Trump is secretly breathing a sigh of relief.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-leaders-prepare-to-vote-friday-on-health-care-reform/2017/03/24/736f1cd6-1081-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.3428c8fedb31