14 May 06
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Originally posted by General Putzerand Christian theocratic governments would be better? Especially ones where the president publicly admits that god told him to invade another country.
Yes the world would be a better place if islamic theocratic governments ruled every country. It'd be like some kind of heaven on earth.
14 May 06
Originally posted by sonhouseYes.
So much for the peaceful nuclear program in iran:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/12/un.iran.ap/index.html
And now let's re-read the article and actually see what it says:
- The diplomats, who demanded anonymity in exchange for revealing the confidential information, said the findings were preliminary and still had to be confirmed through other lab tests -
- Still, they said, further analysis could show that the traces match others established to have come from abroad. -
- The International Atomic Energy Agency determined earlier traces of weapons-grade uranium were imported on equipment from Pakistan that Iran bought on the black market during nearly two decades of clandestine activity discovered just over three years ago. -
Now, my understanding of diplomats is that they don't go around trying to trace uranium. This, you see, isn't done with a penlight, a fax-machine or an over-paid secretary.
The mere fact that they wish to remain anonymous is as dubious as them finding traces of uranium, gold, banana peels or submerged 1942 German U-boats.
More research has to be done. Mhmmmmm...yes. Why not wait until this research has been done before coming away with such crap?
Oh! The international body that ACTUALLY does do the tracing of uranium enrichment hasn't been properly involved yet.
Wasn't this, the side-tracking of the PROFESSIONALS, that led to the Iraq war???
Mhmmmm...
To tell you the God's honest truth, I couldn't care less if Iran had 1.000 nuclear warheads. But that article is crap. The diplomats are nuts and until the IEAE actually say: "Yes. Iran has nuclear weapons." I wouldn't waste a night's sleep over it.
Good night.
14 May 06
Originally posted by shavixmirshav - you should learn trust ... trust other people.
Yes.
And now let's re-read the article and actually see what it says:
- The diplomats, who demanded anonymity in exchange for revealing the confidential information, said the findings were preliminary and still had to be confirmed through other lab tests -
- Still, they said, further analysis could show that the traces match others established to ...[text shortened]... Iran has nuclear weapons." I wouldn't waste a night's sleep over it.
Good night.
if you actually read the links provided you are only going to wreck the story 90% of the time.
14 May 06
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Originally posted by scottishinnzUhhhh....dude.....there aren't any Christian theocracies....western governments believe in seperation of church and state, so your statement is kind of asinine.
and Christian theocratic governments would be better? Especially ones where the president publicly admits that god told him to invade another country.
And Bush never said "God told me to invade Iraq" , you just made that up.
14 May 06
Originally posted by General PutzerHate to be the one to burst your bubble but who do you think elected the bushwhacker? There are major forces all around the world trying to kill that idea of separation of church and state and its starting to make inroads here in the US as well. We all know what happens to most countries when the Muslims take over, the religion IS the state.
Uhhhh....dude.....there aren't any Christian theocracies....western governments believe in seperation of church and state, so your statement is kind of asinine.
And Bush never said "God told me to invade Iraq" , you just made that up.
But its happening here also, just look at the forces aligned against the teaching of evolution, creationists ferrvently and obsessively trying to get creationist 'science' forced to be taught along side evolution with the idea that creationism is a science. They could really care less about the science involved, they just want control. That is the way of fundamentalism whatever the creed. The US is not the same place as it was when we were kids and a big portion of that change rests securely on the shoulders of GB and his fundy cronies.
But I guess you agree with everything he says.
14 May 06
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Originally posted by sonhouseActually I think the forces are againts the teaching of Intelligent Design, I dont see much (if any) forces againts the teaching of the Theory of Evolution. You guys are the one that wants to kill something,
Hate to be the one to burst your bubble but who do you think elected the bushwhacker? There are major forces all around the world trying to kill that idea of separation of church and state and its starting to make inroads here in the US as well. We all know what happens to most countries when the Muslims take over, the religion IS the state.
But its happen on the shoulders of GB and his fundy cronies.
But I guess you agree with everything he says.
You know what happens when the goverment only allows one side of the story to be taught in schools. Dont you?
14 May 06
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Originally posted by sonhouseYour statement about how in Islamic countries the religion is the state is true. I don't see that happening in any country that is traditionally Christian.
[b]Hate to be the one to burst your bubble but who do you think elected the bushwhacker? There are major forces all around the world trying to kill that idea of separation of church and state and its starting to make inroads here in the US as well. We all know what happens to most countries when the Muslims take over, the religion IS the state.
AND WHY IS MY SCRIPT IN BOLDPRINT?
14 May 06
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Originally posted by flyUnitySee the problem there is the word 'Story'. Evolution is an attempt to take all the scientific evidence gleened by centuries of very hard working and very intelligent scientists putting together the best idea of how things are changing in life on earth. This is not a creation story. This is a theory of how things changed AFTER creation, however that came about. The science of how life started here on earth is another whole field having nothing to do with evolution. Creation and evolution are two completely differant tales. Creationists should stick with what they know, creation. They know or care little about evolution,
Actually I think the forces are againts the teaching of Intelligent Design, I dont see much (if any) forces againts the teaching of the Theory of Evolution. You guys are the one that wants to kill something,
You know what happens when the goverment only allows one side of the story to be taught in schools. Dont you?
its apples and oranges. Why do creationists continue to fight over HOW we got here? What possible differance could it make to Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, all Abramite religions? Evolutionists say time and time again their theory is not about how life STARTED but how it changed AFTER it started. So there should be no conflict in the first place. Creationists can have creation, leave evolutionists alone, they should never have been fighting in the first place. Evolution does not in any way refute the idea of god creating life on earth, since science is not up to the task at this point in time of making confirmable theories about the genesis of life.
14 May 06
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Originally posted by sonhouseI protest this. I have made no post stating that I should happen to know what the Iranian president has said or wants to say. If you are going to classify me, classify me right. In no post ever on RHP have I ever supported what the president has said or have I said that I like the president. Quite on the countrary, in fact. When I speak, I do back up Iran, not the government, which is indeed corrupt and bad, but the nation of Iran. Iran has been consistanly oppressed and been abused by Western nations because of greed and the quest for power. For example, when Iran set up a democracy in 1953, the U.S. overthrew that government and insalled the Shah so there would be free oil coming America's way.
I did not call you stupid, I know you are a smart kid. I am replying to other posts where you seem to have some inner knowlege of the mind of the leader of Iran. You have from the beginning of this extended debate across several threads always been on the side of Iran regardless of how its actually going there politically. You automatically put the US on th ...[text shortened]... ng forth for months and its wearing a bit thin now that HEU has been found and not by US agents.
As for my classifing the U.S. as "bad" and Iranians as "good", I belive that there might have been a misunderstanding. When I speak of the U.S., I don't mean the people. I'm speaking about the corrupt government, which not only abuses other countries, but steals money from its own people. Look at this site: www.costofwar.com That's all the money going for the Iraq war. Who's paying for it? The people. Who's getting money out of it? Oil companies and the government. The U.S is based on excellent ideas, and democracy needs to spread out all over the world. Unfortunatly, the system needs to change some. The government has too much power and influence, and that is dangerous in any form of government.
Highly enriched uranium? How exactly can you say that it is for a bomb and not for a peaceful nuclear program? You refuse to belive that Iranians might do anything good, you are always classifing them as liars who are prejudiced and mean. In fact, Iranians are some of the nicest and most generous people in the world. Ask the American woman who was in Bam two years ago during the Earthquake. In her news interveiw she said that Iranians were "some of the nicest people I've ever met.", and that "they were always there for mee, helping me if I had a problem.". But most people don't see that, they haven't been there, they blindly accept what the government tells them and develop an unjustified prejudice of the Iranian people.
Does Iran not have a right to make a nuclear reactor for creating energy? Oil is predicted to be depleted from Iranian reserves in about 35 years. What do we do then? Die? As for problems with negotiating, it has consistently been the U.S. that has refused talks. They are determined to attack Iran, because they believe that only they are worthy of such things. Countless times Iranian foreign ministers have offered talks, in so many different ways, and the U.S. has denied every single one of them. Yet they try to make out that Iran is refusing all talks.
Incidentally, I've never seen you portay Iran or any Iranians as anything but devils who are crazed, prejudiced, and abusive.
14 May 06
Originally posted by abejnoodActually we are talking about the same thing. I have always said 'the president of Iran' not the people, the people of Iran can be as generous as anyone on earth but the government unfortunately is who we as outsiders have to deal with. I know Muslims are supposed to be personally generous as individuals, I am forever against any fundamentalist, be it Babtist, Hindu, Muslim, whatever.
I protest this. I have made no post stating that I should happen to know what the Iranian president has said or wants to say. If you are going to classify me, classify me right. In no post ever on RHP have I ever supported what the president has said or have I said that I like the president. Quite on the countrary, in fact. When I speak, I do back up Iran, ...[text shortened]... r any Iranians as anything but devils who are crazed, prejudiced, and abusive.
If it were up to those animals we would still be a thousand years in the past. Why would I say anything bad about individual people of Iran, I know Iranians personally and like you say they would give you the shirt off their back. The only bone of contention I have are the ones who are under the control of the Imams and who would at the drop of a hat, grab weapons with the express purpose of killing. We already saw that from the response to the admittedly stupid stunt the Dutch cartoonists pulled with their depictions of Mohammed. Do you condon the reaction to those cartoons? That is the group of people I am solidly against and would fight if I was thrust into the middle of it like those innocents killed for no reason other than a command.
Thats who I hate, the leaders who give those commands. Those leaders are absolute cowards who would never in a thousand years actually join in any battle, just give orders to gullible people who think those asholes are gods. And I am not just talking about Muslims here either, also the christian, so-called christians like Pat Robertson who openly called for the assasignation of the president of peru. I hate that dude and hope to see him fall from whatever form of so-called grace this world class ashole posseses.