Homeschooling?

Originally posted by Merk
Sounds like you're discribing what's in your pants.

Anyone who's been to private school surely has heard of soggy biscuits!

Originally posted by shavixmir
Anyone who's been to private school surely has heard of soggy biscuits!

Maybe private schools over there are a bit different than here. We don't have like, Harry Potter and all that.

Originally posted by Merk
"Who are you to say that they were any more or less mature than you? Perhaps that is a social skill that you missed out on by not going to public school. "

What are you trying to say here? The only two things I can see are that homeschoolers might not be able to evaluate relative maturity levels or, if not that, the only other implication could be people should not make comparisons.

I was just pointing out that this could be evidence of a social skill that was missed because you were homeschooled. I wasn't trying to tell you to not make comparisons, I was just using you as an example. No covert message was being given.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Originally posted by Draxus
I was just pointing out that this could be evidence of a social skill that was missed because you were homeschooled. I wasn't trying to tell you to not make comparisons, I was just using you as an example. No covert message was being given.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

What social skill would that have been? I fail to see how being homeschooled could be the reason why someone would falsely see another as immature.

Originally posted by Merk
What social skill would that have been? I fail to see how being homeschooled could be the reason why someone would falsely see another as immature.

What social skill? I would consider that the ability to suspend judgement on a lot of people who are different than you a pretty valid social skill. Wasn't that obvious?

I never did say that being homeschooled causes people to "falsely see another as immature." I was very clearly saying that being homeschooled could cause a student to miss out on learning some important social skills. I was using you as a specific example of one social skill that might have been lost.

Edit: I don't understand why my opinion isn't clear to you. I am not using difficult or obscure language. Are you trying to find some hidden message so that you can justify being offended or something?

Originally posted by Draxus
What social skill? I would consider that the ability to suspend judgement on a lot of people who are different than you a pretty valid social skill. Wasn't that obvious?

I never did say that being homeschooled causes people to "falsely see another as immature." I was very clearly saying that being homeschooled could cause a student to miss out on lear ...[text shortened]... skills. I was using you as a specific example of one social skill that might have been lost.

How did you come to the conclusion that any individual, no matter their education, could possibly lack the ability to suspend judgement?

I'm not disagreeing that homeschooling can and does lead to socially underdeveloped young adults, but what you're talking about sounds to me more like a moral issue than a social one. I'm sure we can both agree that the basis of a childs morality is learned from their parents. Most people that I know were educated in public schools. Invariably, they learned most of their morals at home.

From my experience, public schools might even negatively effect a childs moral developement. I say that because if I compare my friends that were publicly educated to my friends that were homeschooled, my homeschooled friends, as a group, are markedly better from a morals standpoint. At least through their 20's and sometimes even into their 30's. As best as I can tell, after that point it doesn't make nearly as much of a difference.

Originally posted by Draxus
What social skill? I would consider that the ability to suspend judgement on a lot of people who are different than you a pretty valid social skill. Wasn't that obvious?

I never did say that being homeschooled causes people to "falsely see another as immature." I was very clearly saying that being homeschooled could cause a student to miss out on lear ...[text shortened]... you trying to find some hidden message so that you can justify being offended or something?

I wasn't homeschooled, so it's going to be tough to offend me.

Originally posted by techsouth
This is something I'm considering.

Good, bad, indifferent?

My friend's children were homed but not schooled. They finally went to school when the eldest began third grade but was at a beginning-of-first-grade level in everything. Criminal that he lost all that school time, because he can only get caught up so much since everything builds on what was taught in previous years. A cousin's child was allegedly homeschooled but she actually was taught nothing by the time she was eleven. After all, as a Jehovah's Witness she knew that the husband her parents picked out for her would take care of her and so she didn't really need to know anything much beyond reading and adding. Actually, I'm not even sure that she could add, just that she could read.

Originally posted by techsouth
This is something I'm considering.

Good, bad, indifferent?

From everything I have heard and read, it's a wash. The kids are a little less wild, a little more naive, and about the same smarts. Why go to all that trouble?

Originally posted by techsouth
This is something I'm considering.

Good, bad, indifferent?

The homeschooled kids I've taught in the University of Washington's early entrance program have been generally socially awkward and academically unprepared to do college level work, while the kids from good local private schools and high-achieving public schools have generally been more successful soically and academically. I think it is hard to provide the quality of education at home that is on offer at good public and private schools. Then again, the homeschooled kids I've taught have mostly come from religious families, and it was clear that in these cases it was fear of secularization that motivated homeschooling. Perhaps it was a religious homeshool education that made it difficult for these children to relate to others or think critically and independently.

Originally posted by spruce112358
From everything I have heard and read, it's a wash. The kids are a little less wild, a little more naive, and about the same smarts. Why go to all that trouble?

That must depend on the family. The family that was homed and not schooled, some of the children were remarkably wild and had no concept of appropriate behavior because whatever they did was fine before. They also had no concept of getting work done before you play. I have also seen highly disciplined families that were homeschooled.

Originally posted by bbarr
The homeschooled kids I've taught in the University of Washington's early entrance program have been generally socially awkward and academically unprepared to do college level work, while the kids from good local private schools and high-achieving public schools have generally been more successful soically and academically. I think it is hard to provide the q ...[text shortened]... de it difficult for these children to relate to others or think critically and independently.

I would have to suspect that you're correct.

As critical as parents are to a child, they're doubly so in a homeschooled situation.

Originally posted by Draxus
You mention that the kids coming out of public schools are immature. I'm not getting the connection, are you saying that high school makes students immature? That is a huge generalization. There are mature high school graduates and there are immature high school graduates.

I am not sure that the advantages you got from being home schooled were because y ...[text shortened]... n is educated because they want to be and has almost nothing to do with how they were educated.

You read my post wrong, Im talking about on average, I mean all you gotta do is go out and take a picture of a home-school group and compare with a public school picture where the kids have Purple hair, rings all over them etc. I have been to lots of public schools, I was in a Bluegrass Band that would go play in schools all over the nation, And I am so thankful that I was homeschooled, Most public school students seem to have little disrespect for the elders, and seem to be more rebellious to their parents, whereas the homeschoolers seem to interact with people of all different ages more.

I can give you links all day long on homeschoolers being more involved..., or more ahead, They are on average one grade ahead of their peers.
http://www.hslda.org/research/ray2003/Beyond.asp

Every person is going to probably defend his/her school, but my home-school club that I was in, is very successful each in their own ways

I agree it all depends on the parents, and the situation though, I have met a couple homeschoolers who in my opinion had bad parents and shoulda went to public schools.

Im a big fan of Private schools too for the same reasons.

Im probaly the only homeschooler on this forum, but Im not going to debate this further, I was just here to state my side of the story.

Originally posted by Merk
How did you come to the conclusion that any individual, no matter their education, could possibly lack the ability to suspend judgement?

I'm not disagreeing that homeschooling can and does lead to socially underdeveloped young adults, but what you're talking about sounds to me more like a moral issue than a social one. I'm sure we can both agree that the ba ...[text shortened]... s. As best as I can tell, after that point it doesn't make nearly as much of a difference.

I think I got confused about your point. I wasn't talking at all about moral issues, only social.

I think that we are fundamentally saying the same thing, just using different language. Sorry if I was being confusing.

Originally posted by flyUnity
Im a big fan of Private schools too for the same reasons.

We definitely agree on this point. Good private schools give kids the opportunity to really learn academically while still working on social skills.