23 Feb 19
@mott-the-hoople saidCareful there, you wouldn't want to be labeled "socialist".
yeah its just cushy there...If you are rich...
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article218270905.html
@philokalia saidSince when has your party been a champion of the middle class? Are you forgetting the tax giveaway to the rich that was the first item on Trump's agenda?
But why is California's economy so great?
Silicon Valley and Beverly Hills...
Or the Housekeepers of silicon Valley and the gardeners of Beverly Hills?
The corporate taxes jeeps the system afloat. The tax breaks keep them there.
And the middle class that is a more meaningful part of this is moving away, right.
What do you think of that?
Why aren't you repeating your mantra of "make the billionaires even richer and it will trickle down to the peons"? Do you finally admit that "Reaganomics" is a fraud?
23 Feb 19
@no1marauder saidSo to what do you attribute the large economy?
Pretty well it seems:
California is now the world’s fifth-largest economy, up from eighth a decade ago. If it’s a socialist hellhole, it’s a socialist hellhole that somehow nurtured Apple, Google, Facebook, Tesla, Uber, Netflix, Oracle and Intel, not to mention old-economy stalwarts like Chevron, Disney, Wells Fargo and the Hollywood film industry. [b]California firms ...[text shortened]... ww.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/21/trump-california-attacks-economy-225191
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Socialist policies?
23 Feb 19
@whodey saidPolicies that you and other right wingers call "socialist" like investing in public infrastructure and human capital, supporting worker rights and higher minimum wages, having a responsible level of taxation on the wealthy, etc. etc. etc. all contribute to California's economic success.
So to what do you attribute the large economy?
Socialist policies?
There's still a few bumps to be worked out, in particular the State still does have a higher than average poverty rate (which is to be expected in a highly urban State with a fairly large recent immigrant population) but they are on the right track.
23 Feb 19
@whodey said"The greatest advances of civilization, whether in architecture or painting, in science and literature, in industry or agriculture, have never come from a centralized government" (Milton Friedman). That being said, and not really getting what is being touted in this thread, is anyone here behind the Socialist movement? Remember, Bernie wasn't always rich, but has made millions selling socialism to nitwits.
So to what do you attribute the large economy?
Socialist policies?
@averagejoe1 saidMilton was wrong about that, as he was wrong about many things:
"The greatest advances of civilization, whether in architecture or painting, in science and literature, in industry or agriculture, have never come from a centralized government" (Milton Friedman). That being said, and not really getting what is being touted in this thread, is anyone here behind the Socialist movement? Remember, Bernie wasn't always rich, but has made millions selling socialism to nitwits.
Not only has government funded the riskiest research, whether applied or basic, but it has indeed often been the source of the most radical, path-breaking types of innovation.
From Mariana Mazzucato’s “The Entrepreneurial State,”
A illuminating review of it is here: https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/08/19/book-review-the-entrepreneurial-state-debunking-public-vs-private-sector-myths/
Of course, capitalism couldn't and didn't exist without the State so statements like Friedman's are somewhat ironic as well as ill-informed. Socialism actually doesn't require a State as anarchists or "libertarian socialists" will tell you.
23 Feb 19
@no1marauder saidOk, Friedman was wrong. Interesting stuff. And we now have one check in the “For Socialism” column.
Milton was wrong about that, as he was wrong about many things:
Not only has government funded the riskiest research, whether applied or basic, but it has indeed often been the source of the most radical, path-breaking types of innovation.
From Mariana Mazzucato’s “The Entrepreneurial State,”
A illuminating review of it is here: https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.o ...[text shortened]... Socialism actually doesn't require a State as anarchists or "libertarian socialists" will tell you.
23 Feb 19
@averagejoe1 saidI think organized religion has the nitwit market cornered.
"The greatest advances of civilization, whether in architecture or painting, in science and literature, in industry or agriculture, have never come from a centralized government" (Milton Friedman). That being said, and not really getting what is being touted in this thread, is anyone here behind the Socialist movement? Remember, Bernie wasn't always rich, but has made millions selling socialism to nitwits.
23 Feb 19
@averagejoe1 saidWhy don't you tell me what you think "Socialism" is and then I'll tell you whether you can put a check in that column.
Ok, Friedman was wrong. Interesting stuff. And we now have one check in the “For Socialism” column.
23 Feb 19
@js357 said2nd, a few hundred billion behind China.
If you take the GDPs of the 4 US states away from the US GDP, where does it leave the US on the list?
23 Feb 19
@averagejoe1 saidThe US government landed a man on the moon, invented nuclear technology and the internet.
"The greatest advances of civilization, whether in architecture or painting, in science and literature, in industry or agriculture, have never come from a centralized government" (Milton Friedman). That being said, and not really getting what is being touted in this thread, is anyone here behind the Socialist movement? Remember, Bernie wasn't always rich, but has made millions selling socialism to nitwits.