@Suzianne saidI'm talking about Biden's laptop, period. You are dragging in Trump's name as if that somehow makes it all okay, Bidens and the Intelligences together did something wrong, but oh look there is Trump so it isn't so bad. You and sonhouse are mental when it comes to Trump, I'm sick of hearing his name, not because of supporters for him praising him, but out and out utter hatred people have for him, it is disgusting, that everything in the whole world in your mind and sonhouse's it seems to me is that your hate for Trump justifies every other wrong in the world done by anyone if we can compare them to Trump in some way or another, get a life, even when he had nothing at all to do with the laptop here you are.
But you ARE talking about Trump by extension. Actually, you're talking past Trump, using this dead story to try to cover for the fact that your Orange Jesus is going to be convicted.
Comer's got nothing, Jordan's got nothing.
@KellyJay saidJust what I was thinking about the laptop.
I'm talking about Biden's laptop, period. You are dragging in Trump's name as if that somehow makes it all okay, Bidens and the Intelligences together did something wrong, but oh look there is Trump so it isn't so bad. You and sonhouse are mental when it comes to Trump, I'm sick of hearing his name, not because of supporters for him praising him, but out and out utter hatr ...[text shortened]... some way or another, get a life, even when he had nothing at all to do with the laptop here you are.
Lies to coverup for Trump's lies.
But you can't cover up a lie with another lie. You're just hoping people get confused by the new shiny. But the fact is that it is no longer shiny. You guys blew your chance on the public being as gullible as you.
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@wildgrass saidLeaf through the emails? Why would I do that when there is enough , from the sources i mention above, for me to know the laptop. Yes, I guess I could 'know' it more, but I know he is guilty of everything my sources have reported, ....you seem to think I should absorb the laptop before judging this sleazeball?
Multiple news venues and the trump campaign had access to the whole drive, it was copied many times. You can leaf through the emails.
Are you saying you started 50 threads on the laptop without trying to figure out what was on it?
Anyone who has a life cannot spend all day leafing and researching and linking, this forum is for fun and bantering. I can't imagine sitting with you and Marauder, asking a question, and you dive into your computers while I go get a cup of coffee, awaiting your 'answers'.
I certainly stand by my posts, where I endeavored to point our plenty to discuss of interest, the twists and turns, the lying, the info gathered by my sources.
To apply your logic of my not seeing the lap top, I did not 'SEE' the Trump trial, either, nor did you , but both of us have no problem discussing the trial.
Touche' by Avjoe.
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@AverageJoe1
Again, to apply your logic, you did not see the trial, nor did anyone here, but we write about it.
Geeeeez, as northerners say.
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@Suzianne saidI am not drawing any conclusions about Trump in this discussion, that is a fictional tale that you are creating in this fantasy world of yours, where everyone is fighting for or against Trump. He must be the center of your fantasy universe all things being considered are for or against Trump, how pathetic!
Just what I was thinking about the laptop.
Lies to coverup for Trump's lies.
But you can't cover up a lie with another lie. You're just hoping people get confused by the new shiny. But the fact is that it is no longer shiny. You guys blew your chance on the public being as gullible as you.
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@KellyJay saidI don't think the source of the contamination matters that much.
Anyone still believes it was all Russian disinformation, there was a lot of push saying so during an election year.
A laptop that has been out of someone's possession - essentially stolen by a repairman - and handed over to the opposition party is immediately suspect.
It would be reasonable to doubt anything that was found on it.
@KellyJay saidOk, there's a lot going on in this post, but most of it is revisionist history.
It is in my opinion not even all that important what was on the laptop, like many wrongs done in life the cover-up is far worse than some of the crimes as well. It was something that was about to come out during a Presidential campaign that cast a negative light toward Biden, and claiming it was a Russian disinformation made Trump look bad.
Members of the Intelligence ag ...[text shortened]... hat there is at least a culture in power that wants to stay there and will do and say what it takes.
The original Hunter laptop data and story came out 3 weeks before the election. Awfully convenient for Trump. After a long campaign period during which President Trump had made allegations about the Biden's and corruption, the New York Post received evidence directly from... who?... Rudy Giuliani (Trump's attorney) with a bunch of corrupted emails on a laptop.
Some of the New York Post reporters who wrote that original story refused to put their names on it, because he didn't know if it was true. In fact, it took years of forensic investigations to confirm that they were real emails and photos. Why? It was copied, corrupted, and new files and folders were added after it was turned into the pawn shop.
The article also suggested that the elder Mr. Biden had met with a Burisma adviser, Vadym Pozharskyi. That is most likely wrong. Mr. Biden’s official schedules showed no meeting between the former vice president and the adviser. Two Republican-led Senate committees investigating the matter said they had found no evidence of wrongdoing by the former vice president, directly contradicting what the New York Post was reporting and laying severe doubt on the validity of their story.
Most of the data on the laptop still cannot be verified. Even after verification that 120,000 emails were real (way after the election, in 2022), there were other emails circulated by Republicans purporting to have come from the laptop that were indeed tampered with.
Seems reasonable, as a reporter, to be extremely skeptical of corrupted evidence coming from tabloid news that came from a campaign and validates exactly what they'd been saying for years. Seems reasonable that verification would take more than 3 weeks. Perhaps if the Trump campaign had the info sooner they waited to release it at this time so there would not be enough time to verify contents?
@wildgrass said'Revisionist History' a great descriptive phrase for much of the forum.
Ok, there's a lot going on in this post, but most of it is revisionist history.
The original Hunter laptop data and story came out 3 weeks before the election. Awfully convenient for Trump. After a long campaign period during which President Trump had made allegations about the Biden's and corruption, the New York Post received evidence directly from... who?... Rudy Giul ...[text shortened]... sooner they waited to release it at this time so there would not be enough time to verify contents?
Could be laborious to arrive at all of our respective opinions, it is tantamount to analysis of form! Let us just enjoy the trial.
Will be a fun thread. I hope they throw him in prison for life!!!!! (just kidding, been around Shouse too long).
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@AverageJoe1
I imagine you are enjoying the coming trial of Hunter a LOT more than you enjoy the PRESENT trial of Trump, close to jury time now.
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@Suzianne saidAgain I am not a Trump apologist and your constant referrals to him when I am not bringing him as if I am says more about your fixation with him than me.
Just what I was thinking about the laptop.
Lies to coverup for Trump's lies.
But you can't cover up a lie with another lie. You're just hoping people get confused by the new shiny. But the fact is that it is no longer shiny. You guys blew your chance on the public being as gullible as you.
@KellyJay saidWhy this nonsense about the laptop, right before Trump gets convicted?
Again I am not a Trump apologist and your constant referrals to him when I am not bringing him as if I am says more about your fixation with him than me.
You're not fooling anyone.
@KellyJay saidDo you trust what Donald Trump says Kellyjay?
The thing about Biden we can’t trust anything he says.
@KellyJay saidIn a debate forum which is primarily focused on US politics and in a thread where you are attacking one of the main US political protagonists, do you honestly think that people counter challenging you about your own personal bias towards the other main protagonist (Trump) is a “fixation”?
Again I am not a Trump apologist and your constant referrals to him when I am not bringing him as if I am says more about your fixation with him than me.
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@Suzianne saidI wrote about a laptop and the issues people lied about because it is now being used as evidence, which dispelled the lies it was Russian propaganda. You can suggest that it had anything to do with Trump, it doesn't as far as my posts go, and unless I say something about Trump I'm not speaking about or for him, you are delusional if everything you see either is for or against Trump.
Why this nonsense about the laptop, right before Trump gets convicted?
You're not fooling anyone.
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@sonhouse saidYes, let us compare their histories. You keep ranting about Trump being a criminal,........ he has never been convicted of any crime. So all of your posts are without merit. Just sayin'
@AverageJoe1
I imagine you are enjoying the coming trial of Hunter a LOT more than you enjoy the PRESENT trial of Trump, close to jury time now.
As to my looking forward to the trial, alas, it is only about the firearm, ....What I Really want to know is where they got all those millions and what for.
Would you not want to know that? Would you want to know if he has tithed any of it or donated to any charities, any philanthropic adventures? You know that he hasn't, he is only about himself. One of the faeries on this Forum says Trump is all about himself, when all he wants to do is take the helm and clean up the Biden mess.
Won't you be glad to not hear him yell when he speaks? Let us all pick the day that he takes himself (or is removed!) from the election. Who will replace him?