25 May 13
Originally posted by techsouththat it is retarded to prosecute 18 year olds having consensual sex with 14 year olds. and that you might not be so quick with the axe if it were your child (yes, 18 year old is still a child)
Ah, the vigilant patrol for hypocrisy. What point are you trying to make?
25 May 13
Originally posted by techsouthno they are bloody not. they are both idiotic and prone to do idiotic things.
18 year olds and 14 year olds are far apart.
Most places have either no penalty, or a much less penalty for 18 year olds having sex with 16 or 17 year olds.
You're right in that it should not be hard if this is special treatment or not. But you should compare apples to apples. (e.g. 18 year old boys and 14 year old girls).
If it were my 14 year old daughter, I'd call the police and expect prosecution.
statutory rape laws are meant to protect children from adults, not from equally horny school mates
25 May 13
Originally posted by ZahlanziRetarded?
that it is retarded to prosecute 18 year olds having consensual sex with 14 year olds. and that you might not be so quick with the axe if it were your child (yes, 18 year old is still a child)
How about an 18 year old and a 12 year old? Or a 10 year old?
The law is not perfect but it's a start, and a line has to be drawn somewhere.
The level of maturity mentally and physically between an 18 and a 14 year old IS a big deal.
When I was 18 I was in the army, if I'd been having sex with a 14 year old girl it would have been......sick.
I can see it being OK in 3rd world countries.
But not in an advanced, civilized society.
Let the flaming begin.
25 May 13
The post that was quoted here has been removedwait, i have some stories as well.
in medieval times, a lord had the right to basically rape the bride on her wedding night.
thieves had their hands cut.
how about we cut with stories about "once upon a time it was ok to...".
nowadays we don't need to have little girls crank out children as soon as they are able, lest they succumb to the plague. nowadays we consider a 14 year old a child. nowadays we imprison asholes who take advantage of said child.
and i am through discussing this off topic scenario. how about you make a separate thread about teachers seducing their 14 year old students, see if anyone thinks said teacher shouldn't be demonised as a pedophile.
26 May 13
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperWell that would be the most relevant question. Unfortunately on this thread lot's of other tangents are spinning up, including something that sounded a lot like treating an 18 year old and 17 year old having sex the same as you'd treat a 18 year old and 14 year old having sex.
Nobody is asking for separate laws based on same or opposite gender. The question is whether in similar cases (18 with 14) the District Attorneys in their state typically insist on the pressing the harshest crime, or if they normally offer to plea it down to a lesser offense.
And some don't seem to realize that "up to 15 years", may also mean "as little as no jail time".
No one has suggested separate laws, but most complaining about this case seem to be ignoring these points in their complaint of unfair treatment.
26 May 13
Originally posted by ZahlanziI think most understand the profound difference between an 18 year old and a 14 year old, even though they're both typically prone to "idiocy". If you can't see a difference, I contend you don't remember high school that well.
no they are bloody not. they are both idiotic and prone to do idiotic things.
statutory rape laws are meant to protect children from adults, not from equally horny school mates
26 May 13
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15Whether such a relationship is abuse can be judged on a case-by-case basis by a judge. Implementing harsh penalties for victimless crimes is, in fact, retarded.
Retarded?
How about an 18 year old and a 12 year old? Or a 10 year old?
The law is not perfect but it's a start, and a line has to be drawn somewhere.
The level of maturity mentally and physically between an 18 and a 14 year old IS a big deal.
When I was 18 I was in the army, if I'd been having sex with a 14 year old girl it would have been.... ...[text shortened]... OK in 3rd world countries.
But not in an advanced, civilized society.
Let the flaming begin.
I had sex with a 14-year old when I was 18. I don't think she was particularly traumatized; we had a 4-year relationship and she is now pursuing a master's degree.
26 May 13
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I am reading more about this story. Apparently the parents of the 14 year old repeatidly warned the 18 year old to stay away because the relationship was inappropriate due to their ages. In fact, at one point the 14 year old ran away with the 18 year old.
From what I've read, the 18 year old was offered a plea deal including a year or two of house arrest, but turned it down.
26 May 13
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15yet those two weren't in the army, they were in the same school. environment, the level of responsibility, the level of maturity is what makes one mature. and able to stand trial as an adult.
Retarded?
How about an 18 year old and a 12 year old? Or a 10 year old?
The law is not perfect but it's a start, and a line has to be drawn somewhere.
The level of maturity mentally and physically between an 18 and a 14 year old IS a big deal.
When I was 18 I was in the army, if I'd been having sex with a 14 year old girl it would have been.... ...[text shortened]... OK in 3rd world countries.
But not in an advanced, civilized society.
Let the flaming begin.
someone celebrating his 18th birthday is not an adult. he may be legally allowed to vote. but in the us he is still not able to drink. yet he was allowed to drive from the age of 16. so tell me, what makes someone having sex with a 14 year old on his 18th birthday worthy of 15 years in prison ? what if he had sex with that same 14 year old just the day before?
the law is not, as you pointed out, perfect. and it is something the judges and the prosecutors know full well. this is why we don't hear of many cases of 18 year olds being registered as sex offenders because they had sex, consensual, with a 14 year old. the cases are judged while taking into account the human factor, meaning i am not going to mess up the life of a high school senior that had sex with his girlfriend who he's been dating for a while now. yet, this 18 year old lesbian didn't get the same treatment all other highschool jocks get.
26 May 13
The post that was quoted here has been removedshe swings! and she misses the point!
the point my dear was that behaviour acceptable in the past is no longer acceptable today. then, a 14 year old may have been suited to be wed to willie. today, it is not. but even by those standards, durant took advantage of his position of authority, and seduced an easily impressionable student.
the fact that he treated her right doesn't make him less of a poster boy of why the statutory rape laws are in effect. mature adults, especially ones in positions of authority, have a deep effect on minors. to seduce a minor when in such a position is wrong, and we as a society have deemed it unacceptable.
i can't believe i am discussing statutory rape laws with you in a case that is obviously why the statutory rape laws have been written in the first place. that you seem to excuse a doctor that seduces your daughter, a professor, the next door neighbour. (as long as they marry her, of course)
this discussion is over. find someone else to discuss how pleasant person willie is.