05 Dec 07
Originally posted by agrysonTank. Are you of the opinion that Americans don't do these things. If so, where do you get these ideas? I pay $100/mo. to have my garbage picked up because of recycling. It's the law. We have immision tests every year on our cars. If it doesn't pass, and can't be repaired....better buy a newer car. The hot water heaters i use are insulated at the factory by law. Our toilets can only have a 1.6 gal capacity... by law. We've been using ethanol gas blends for 25 years.... If i build a house and must cut down a 15in. dia. tree i'm required to replace that tree with 5- five in. dia. trees.....etc. etc. etc.
Ratehr than save money and hassle now? Quick fixes are not a way out. Just switch your bulbs, recycle as long as it's made easy for you and stick a lagging jacket on your water heater. You don't need to eat grenola and tofu to do your bit, just common sense money saving things can help.
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06 Dec 07
Originally posted by agrysonOf course I have! As I know you have read each of my posts. How could you accuse me of inattention.
You've not read one post I've ever put up here... have you?
I know you will never be swayed and neither will I. Mainly, I have no desire to regurgitate it all over again. 😕 However, when the subject is raised I will add a bit of weight to the non-frantic side. 🙂
07 Dec 07
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThey also blocked a group of white supremists from "debating" whether or not white people are the superior race.
So much for fair and open debate about climate change:
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=22401
Seems most people don't believe it's true but there are a few out there who do think it is true and want to debate this issue.
I wonder if just because some people don't believe the truth, it doesn't mean there is a debate. Maybe it just means some people are wrong.
07 Dec 07
Originally posted by smw6869It's not about making citizens do anything in particular.
Tank. Are you of the opinion that Americans don't do these things. If so, where do you get these ideas? I pay $100/mo. to have my garbage picked up because of recycling. It's the law. We have immision tests every year on our cars. If it doesn't pass, and can't be repaired....better buy a newer car. The hot water heaters i use are insulated at the factory by ...[text shortened]... tree i'm required to replace that tree with 5- five in. dia. trees.....etc. etc. etc.
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The vast majority of the problem is from industry dumping pollutants into the atmosphere and emissions from millions of vehicles. Coal electricty generating stations are the main issue for homeowners because this is likely where you get your electricity from if you are in the US.
The rest of the stuff is small potatoes.
07 Dec 07
Originally posted by uzlessI thought building and farms were the biggest polluters.
It's not about making citizens do anything in particular.
The vast majority of the problem is from industry dumping pollutants into the atmosphere and emissions from millions of vehicles. Coal electricty generating stations are the main issue for homeowners because this is likely where you get your electricity from if you are in the US.
The rest of the stuff is small potatoes.
08 Dec 07
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterFor someone so sceptical about global warming you do seem rather angst-ridden about the issue!
So much for fair and open debate about climate change:
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=22401
Anyway, putting that to one side, as I understand it, even the naysayers accept that the ave. global temperatures have risen over the last few decades. There is universal empirical proof of global warming as a fact.
The questions that should be asked are what causes it? would it occur regardless of increase in carbon emissions? & can & should anything be done to slow it down?
08 Dec 07
Originally posted by smw6869I get it from 4% of the worlds population using 25% of the worlds oil for no apparent benefit compared to cleaner economies like the EU, even China is copping on in some respects.
Tank. Are you of the opinion that Americans don't do these things. If so, where do you get these ideas? I pay $100/mo. to have my garbage picked up because of recycling. It's the law. We have immision tests every year on our cars. If it doesn't pass, and can't be repaired....better buy a newer car. The hot water heaters i use are insulated at the factory by ...[text shortened]... tree i'm required to replace that tree with 5- five in. dia. trees.....etc. etc. etc.
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You keep talking about stick, I don't want laws to be passed forcing people to do things, the people should know why it's a good thing to do and do it themselves.
That you need laws to tell you that lagging jackets are a cheap and effective as well as simple way of saving money, let alone energy, is a little worrying.
09 Dec 07
Originally posted by agrysonI was responding to your post about the little things everyone can do to help the environment. We do all of that is all i am saying...laws or no laws.
I get it from 4% of the worlds population using 25% of the worlds oil for no apparent benefit compared to cleaner economies like the EU, even China is copping on in some respects.
You keep talking about stick, I don't want laws to be passed forcing people to do things, the people should know why it's a good thing to do and do it themselves.
That you need ...[text shortened]... p and effective as well as simple way of saving money, let alone energy, is a little worrying.
Gee willickers, you didn't have to put Granny in a Thai clinch and knee her in the groin....then again....
Granny.
10 Dec 07
Originally posted by agrysonWhich 4%? And since when does oil belong to the world?
I get it from 4% of the worlds population using 25% of the worlds oil for no apparent benefit compared to cleaner economies like the EU, even China is copping on in some respects.
You keep talking about stick, I don't want laws to be passed forcing people to do things, the people should know why it's a good thing to do and do it themselves.
That you need ...[text shortened]... p and effective as well as simple way of saving money, let alone energy, is a little worrying.
10 Dec 07
Originally posted by MerkThe US is 4% of the worlds population. No, oil doesn't belong to the world, but that such a small number are so dependant on the one resource compared to other developed nations doesn't say too many good things.
Which 4%? And since when does oil belong to the world?
10 Dec 07
Originally posted by SquelchbelchThere is global warming -- it's occurred about 1,600 times that we know of and will continue occurring until the end of time because it's cyclical, not man made. So if we're not creating it, then why do all these government phoneycrats want to silence the debate and tax the bejeebers out of everything and force us all to live like Java Man on the Veldt and eat bugs and wipe our behinds with banana leaves?
For someone so sceptical about global warming you do seem rather angst-ridden about the issue!
Anyway, putting that to one side, as I understand it, even the naysayers accept that the ave. global temperatures have risen over the last few decades. There is universal empirical proof of global warming as a fact.
The questions that should be asked ar ...[text shortened]... regardless of increase in carbon emissions? & can & should anything be done to slow it down?[/i]