03 Mar 08
Originally posted by Conrau KThe 11,682 albums I've got?
Are all these works under a copyright arrangement?
About 3,000 of them I own on CD, and I have them in mp3 format. No problem there. About 1,000 more are mp3s of albums I used to have but sold (should I have deleted the mp3s when I stopped owning the CDs in question?)
That leaves about 7,500 albums which I did not buy and which no one tried to sell to me. None of them are available here in Indonesia as far as I know. I can't get them mail order because such things are systematically stolen by postal workers.
Am I - for all intents and purposes - no better than those postal workers?
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by MexicoThese people aid outright left and then feel like their being put out because they are legal only on a technicality.
Sweden have their copyright laws, which they enforce very strictly. The thing is about Pirate Bay and all BitTorrents is that they never host copyrighted files files. All the hold is a small (uncopyrighted) file containing nonsense hashs and checksums which point to a user who has the file.... Thus No copyright has been broken.....
The reason its insultin ...[text shortened]... They've agreed to shut down only when Swedish law changes, which it will probably never do....
I don't know how they sleep at night.
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by techsouthIts hardly outright theft. For example, I have quite a bit of downloaded music which I never would have paid for in the first place. So me having the music makes no difference to the companies and artists involved. Most music that I do have, which I listen to regularly and would have bought I actually own the CD's, LP's and various other media the music came on.
These people aid outright left and then feel like their being put out because they are legal only on a technicality.
I don't know how they sleep at night.
Tell me have you ever recorded music onto a blank tape? Because the same laws apply there also?.
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by Mexicothe US have many laws that restrict freedom of speech and most other basic freedoms. banning a torrent site is like putting me in jail for directing you to a man who is selling goods that might or not be stolen. While the man who sells stolen merchandise is guilty and the man who buys stolen merchandise is guilty, why am i being punished for not breaking any laws?
Actually I believe US law does prohibit torrents that point at copyrighted materials?
torrent sites do not in themselves contain any stolen merchandise. in fact they do not contain anything. it is the user who post a material and assumes responsibility that he has the right to do so.
04 Mar 08
from wiki on the demonoid.com site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonoid
"Demonoid was a website and BitTorrent tracker set up by an anonymous Serbian known only as Deimos[citation needed] . The website indexed torrents uploaded by its members. It was the second largest[1][2] and second most used public tracker for over a year,[3] the 403rd most popularly ranked website in July 2007 according to Alexa,[4] and had an estimated 3 million peers in September 2007.[3] It went offline on November 9, 2007 due to legal threats from the Canadian Recording Industry Association.
Demonoid was the source of the photograph leak of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows,[5] the torrents of which were removed, though they spread to other sites.[6][7]"
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by MexicoThis is a classic example of rationalization.
Its hardly outright theft. For example, I have quite a bit of downloaded music which I never would have paid for in the first place. So me having the music makes no difference to the companies and artists involved. Most music that I do have, which I listen to regularly and would have bought I actually own the CD's, LP's and various other media the music came ...[text shortened]... ll me have you ever recorded music onto a blank tape? Because the same laws apply there also?.
"....which I never would have paid for in the first place."
"...having the music makes no difference..."
Similar acts:
Stealing cable TV service.
Sneaking into a movie theatre (or any performance for that matter).
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziOh I agree 100% actually.... I'm all for bit torrent, and actually most of the material is from massive companies anyway so their the ones loosing money here, which suits me fine. Any artist who I like that relies on the cash from CD sales is unlikely to be up there anyway. The big artists make their money from concerts.....
the US have many laws that restrict freedom of speech and most other basic freedoms. banning a torrent site is like putting me in jail for directing you to a man who is selling goods that might or not be stolen. While the man who sells stolen merchandise is guilty and the man who buys stolen merchandise is guilty, why am i being punished for not breaking a ...[text shortened]... g. it is the user who post a material and assumes responsibility that he has the right to do so.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYep and I see no problem with either stealing cable (I've actually managed to steal satellite, which took some doing) or sneaking into the movies. Actually I have friends working in the cinema so I get in free anyway.
This is a classic example of rationalization.
"....which I never would have paid for in the first place."
"...having the music makes no difference..."
Similar acts:
Stealing cable TV service.
Sneaking into a movie theatre (or any performance for that matter).
Stage productions are slightly different, its more like sneaking into a concert, which I generally (depends on the concert) won't do.
As to music: Artists make most of their money from live performance anyway, CD sales are about publicity. Also The people who actually make money from CD sales are record stores and record companies. The people who rely on CD sales to make money are bands/artists who I'll have bought the CD from at their shows anyway.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by MexicoIt comes as no surprise that you have no problem with any of those other things either. From your posts here and on other threads it's evident that you lack depth of both character and understanding.
Yep and I see no problem with either stealing cable (I've actually managed to steal satellite, which took some doing) or sneaking into the movies. Actually I have friends working in the cinema so I get in free anyway.
Stage productions are slightly different, its more like sneaking into a concert, which I generally (depends on the concert) won't do.
As ...[text shortened]... sales to make money are bands/artists who I'll have bought the CD from at their shows anyway.
Like any other criminal, you make rationalizations for your behavior.
Shoplifter - "They're a big corporation. They can afford it."
Rapist - "If she didn't want it, she wouldn't dress like that."
Murderer - "He had it coming to him. He shouldn't have dissed me.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneMexico's the kind of guy who thinks if you insult his mother he should smash your face with a headbutt...exactly what you're describing.
It comes as no surprise that you have no problem with any of those other things either. From your posts here and on other threads it's evident that you lack depth of both character and understanding.
Like any other criminal, you make rationalizations for your behavior.
Shoplifter - "They're a big corporation. They can afford it."
Rapist - "If s dress like that."
Murderer - "He had it coming to him. He shouldn't have dissed me.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneit is slightly different. what you said are obvious crimes. however if someone decides to put a tax on air and asks you to pay it, you won't be very eager will you?
It comes as no surprise that you have no problem with any of those other things either. Like any other criminal, you make rationalizations for your behavior.
Shoplifter - "They're a big corporation. They can afford it."
Rapist - "If she didn't want it, she wouldn't dress like that."
Murderer - "He had it coming to him. He shouldn't have dissed me."
You have the same mindset.
what if someone buys the cd and decides to listen to it with friends? is it ok or should the friends pay a fee too? if you buy 2 cds is it ok if you burn a third one with songs from the original 2? and can you lend the third cd to a friend?
art is community property. i am not paying to see a picture of van gogh, i would pay to OWN it. so i shouldn't have to pay for a cd which is only a copy of a work of art. i would pay however for the service the band is doing at a concert.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by ZahlanziSome people have trouble comprehending the concept of physical property rights. They are still theives.
it is slightly different. what you said are obvious crimes. however if someone decides to put a tax on air and asks you to pay it, you won't be very eager will you?
what if someone buys the cd and decides to listen to it with friends? is it ok or should the friends pay a fee too? if you buy 2 cds is it ok if you burn a third one with songs from the origi y a copy of a work of art. i would pay however for the service the band is doing at a concert.
You seem to have trouble comprehending the concept of intellectual property rights. You are still a thief.
Is the concept too abstract for you to comprehend?
06 Mar 08
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou seem to be so intent on being snide you failed to address any of the points Zahlandi made. Nor did you address the original questions raised in this thread. In fact, it's not clear why you posted at all.
Some people have trouble comprehending the concept of physical property rights. They are still theives.
You seem to have trouble comprehending the concept of intellectual property rights. You are still a thief.
Is the concept too abstract for you to comprehend?
Nobody appears to be having any trouble understanding anything here, so your haughty "is it too abstract for you?" tone is uncalled for. Some people ignore property rights. Some people refuse to recognize them. This thread is about what punishment might be appropriate for people who download music. Just braying 'You're a thief! You're a thief!' doesn't strike me as being a very interesting contribution at all.