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27 Oct 07
29 Oct 07
Originally posted by Sam The ShamWell, here's the statistics from WHO:
Yes, a clown that makes Cuban health care look good and claims it's something we would want is doing us all a favor.
Life expectancy at birth (male/female):
USA - 75/80
Cuba - 75/79
Healthy life expectancy at birth (male/female):
USA - 67/71
Cuba - 67/70
Probability of dying under five (per thousand live births):
USA - 8
Cuba - 7
Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years (male/female) (per 1 000 population):
USA - 137/81
Cuba - 128/83
Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2004):
USA - 6,096
Cuba - 229
Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2004):
USA - 15.4
Cuba - 6.3
In other words, Michael Moore, if he's claimed that Cuba has good health care and that the US can
learn something from that, isn't just making it up, but basing it on actual statistics provided by WHO.
While the US and Cuba appear similar in the quality of health care, Cuba spends much less money on
it. This may of course be due to lifestyle issues and a number of other aspects making cubans
healthier to start with. I'd have to dwell deeper into the figures to be able to comment on that. But
from what I can tell, it seems he's right about Cuba having good health care and that the US can
learn a thing or two from the Cubans (be it their health care system or life styles).
http://www.who.int/countries/cub/en/
http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/
29 Oct 07
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Originally posted by stockenYep....Cuban hospitals are just peachy.
Well, here's the statistics from WHO:
Life expectancy at birth (male/female):
USA - 75/80
Cuba - 75/79
Healthy life expectancy at birth (male/female):
USA - 67/71
Cuba - 67/70
Probability of dying under five (per thousand live births):
USA - 8
Cuba - 7
Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years (male/female) (per 1 000 population):
USA - life styles).
http://www.who.int/countries/cub/en/
http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lynn-davidson/2007/10/19/media-ignore-hannity-colmes-expose-awful-cuban-health-care
One honest answer, please.....would you want to be in a hospital like that?
Here's a more realistic view of Cuban health care, the one Mike Moore doesn't want you to see.
29 Oct 07
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Originally posted by Sam The Shamhttp://www.nowpublic.com/americas_veterans_hospitals_mold_and_bad_maintenance
Yep....Cuban hospitals are just peachy.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lynn-davidson/2007/10/19/media-ignore-hannity-colmes-expose-awful-cuban-health-care
One honest answer, please.....would you want to be in a hospital like that?
We can pick and choose what we want to see, but WHO has done an overall estimate, and they
certainly wouldn't have been able to write those statistics if a significant amount of hospitals in Cuba
were anything like the one described in your somewhat subjectively chosen article. In fact, if that
were the conditions on most Cuban hospitals people wouldn't live very long in there at all, would they?
Use your brain, for peace sake. 😞
29 Oct 07
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Originally posted by stockenLeaky roofs and walls that need painting in our VA hospitals, Oh my. Now take the time to LOOK at the Cuban hospital videos and tell me there's a comparison somewhere.
http://www.nowpublic.com/americas_veterans_hospitals_mold_and_bad_maintenance
We can pick and choose what we want to see, but WHO has done an overall estimate, and they
certainly wouldn't have been able to write those statistics if a significant amount of hospitals in Cuba
were anything like the one described in your somewhat subjectively chosen artic ...[text shortened]... ople wouldn't live very long in there at all, would they?
Use your brain, for peace sake. 😞
As I asked before, an honest answer, please. Would you want to be in a Cuban hospital ?
29 Oct 07
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Originally posted by Sam The ShamI do believe it was a little more than leaky roofs and bad paintjobs. But if you need something a little
Leaky roofs and walls that need painting in our VA hospitals, Oh my. Now take the time to LOOK at the Cuban hospital videos and tell me there's a comparison somewhere.
more dramatic about the hospital care in the US, how about this one?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9801EFD91738F931A25757C0A962948260
Resulting in patients dying. Is that bad enough for you? Agreed, the apparent conditions are nowhere
near as bad in this hospital, but death is a pretty severe outcome, wouldn't you agree?
I'm not going to defend the hospital described in the video, but I find it hard to believe that most
cuban hospitals are like that. Why would WHO outright lie about the statistics? 'Cause you realise
that's what you're suggesting? On the one hand, I have someone trying to discredit MM for saying
something positive about Cuban healthcare, and on the other hand I have the world health
organisation partially supporting MM through statistics. Hmm, which one to believe?
30 Oct 07
Originally posted by stockenCertainly sounds like you're defending it. As far as the health of Cubans, perhaps it's because of the enormous amount of walking they have to do to get wherever they need to go.
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I'm not going to defend the hospital described in the video, but I find it hard to believe that most
cuban hospitals are like that. Why would WHO outright lie about the statistics? 'Cause you realise
that's what you're suggesting? On the one hand, I have someone trying to discredit MM for saying
something positive about Cuban healthcare, and on the ...[text shortened]... health
organisation partially supporting MM through statistics. Hmm, which one to believe?[/b]
Things are great in Cuba. Ever notice the Cubans on this site are careful to never say anything about their country?
30 Oct 07
Originally posted by stockenPlease. Do you think the WHO has an investigative arm?
Well, here's the statistics from WHO:
Life expectancy at birth (male/female):
USA - 75/80
Cuba - 75/79
Healthy life expectancy at birth (male/female):
USA - 67/71
Cuba - 67/70
Probability of dying under five (per thousand live births):
USA - 8
Cuba - 7
Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years (male/female) (per 1 000 population):
USA - ...[text shortened]... life styles).
http://www.who.int/countries/cub/en/
http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/
The WHO uses whatever statistics are provided to it by the country's ministry of health: "The data available on this web site comprise deaths registered in national vital registration systems, with underlying cause of death as coded by the relevant national authority."
You would not long be Castro's health minister if statistics showed any lower health quality than the US.
30 Oct 07
Originally posted by Sam The ShamWell put Sam.
Certainly sounds like you're defending it. As far as the health of Cubans, perhaps it's because of the enormous amount of walking they have to do to get wherever they need to go.
Things are great in Cuba. Ever notice the Cubans on this site are careful to never say anything about their country?
In fact things are so great in Cuba that thousands of American boat people try to get there on shoddy craft from Florida every year.
30 Oct 07
Originally posted by SMSBear716Uses those stock dividends to further his fight against corporate america. Not a bad strategy since those profits are going to occur anyway.
My question is when is he going to sell his Halliburton stock, doesn't he know those people are evil.. well he preaches it out one side of his mouth while collecting stock dividends with the other.
Why not use your enemies money against him? Just seems smart to me.
14 Nov 07
Originally posted by invigorateMichel Moore is all about accountability, holding the executive etc accountable for their actions, that is what democracy thrives on. 3/4 truths or not its about displaying opinions, circumstances etc that need answered
What a guy! What a gut!
He is very good at mixing a bunch of 3/4 truths into a compelling argument.
His arguements couldn't be more onesided if he were to sit on see-saw.
Tony Benn is brilliant in Sicko. But although MM is funny, I have a feeling the US Tourist board can't be too pleased with him.
14 Nov 07
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Originally posted by uzlessDid you read the article you linked? It appears Disney (California lefty) chose to "poke a finger" in the administrations eye to me.
The US toursist board doesn't even know that Niagara Falls isn't American.
http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/195291.html?imw=Y
btw: You posted: "the board doesn't even know that Niagara Falls isn't American."
Anyone reading this would think the falls are all Canadian.
Don't you know the border between the two countries split the falls or are you attempting to mislead.
This from Wiki:
Niagara Falls is composed of two major sections separated by Goat Island: Horseshoe Falls, on the Canadian side of the border and American Falls on the United States side. The smaller Bridal Veil Falls also is located on the American side, separated from the main falls by Luna Island.