Is Mike Pence "Too Honest"?

"On January 1, the Defendant [Donald Trump] called the Vice President and berated him because he had learned that the Vice President had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that, at the certification, the Vice President had the authority to reject or return votes to the states under the Constitution. The Vice President responded that he thought there was no constitutional basis for such authority and that it was improper. In response, the Defendant told the Vice President, “You're too honest."

p. 33 of the Indictment

@no1marauder said
"On January 1, the Defendant [Donald Trump] called the Vice President and berated him because he had learned that the Vice President had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that, at the certification, the Vice President had the authority to reject or return votes to the states under the Constitution. The Vice President responded that he thought there was no cons ...[text shortened]... In response, the Defendant told the Vice President, “You're too honest."

p. 33 of the Indictment

Even before January 6th, the conspirators knew that the Vice President rejecting electors (from a race he was in!) was not going to pass muster in the courts even if he did it (which he had made clear he wouldn't):

94. Also on January 4, when Co-Conspirator2 acknowledged to the Defendant's Senior Advisor that no court would support his proposal, the Senior Advisor told Co-Conspirator 2, “[Ylou're going to cause riots in the streets.” Co-Conspirator 2 responded that there had previously been points in the nation’s history where violence was necessary to protect the republic. After that conversation, the Senior Advisor notified the Defendant that Co-Conspirator 2 had conceded that his plan was “not going to work.”

95. On the moming of January S, at the Defendant's direction, the Vice President's Chief of Staff and the Vice President's Counsel met again with Co-Conspirator 2. Co- ‘Conspirator 2 now advocated that the Vice President do what the Defendant had said he preferred the day before: unilaterally reject electors from the targeted states. During this meeting, Co- Conspirator 2 privately acknowledged to the Vice President’s Counsel that he hoped to prevent judicial review of his proposal because he understood that it would be unanimously rejected by the Supreme Court. The Vice President’s Counsel expressed to Co-Conspirator2 that following through with the proposal would result in a “disastrous situation” where the election might “have to be decided in the streets.”

p. 34 of the Indictment

So Trump and the other conspirators knew their plan was illegal yet continually pressured Pence to do it anyway, while Trump also kept telling his supporters that Pence might do "the right thing" and reject duly elected, certified and official electors in favor of his fake ones. In the end, that was a primary motivator of the attack on the Capitol where many of the rioters chanted "Hang Mike Pence!"

@no1marauder said
"On January 1, the Defendant [Donald Trump] called the Vice President and berated him because he had learned that the Vice President had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that, at the certification, the Vice President had the authority to reject or return votes to the states under the Constitution. The Vice President responded that he thought there was no cons ...[text shortened]... In response, the Defendant told the Vice President, “You're too honest."

p. 33 of the Indictment

@metal-brain said
So it is about speech?
Make up your mind.

Have you ever considered the possibility that the elites don't want Trump again because he can never keep his big mouth shut? I doubt they wanted him to say "we took the oil. We are keeping the oil."

He proudly admitted his criminal deeds in Syria. I'm pretty sure the Rockefellers didn't want him to reveal their criminal behavior. They were probably like "can't this blowhard keep it on the down low"?

@Suzianne
He is a paid Russian propogandist and will NEVER 'go away' since it is his job to make as much anti US chaos as possible.

@no1marauder said
"On January 1, the Defendant [Donald Trump] called the Vice President and berated him because he had learned that the Vice President had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that, at the certification, the Vice President had the authority to reject or return votes to the states under the Constitution. The Vice President responded that he thought there was no cons ...[text shortened]... In response, the Defendant told the Vice President, “You're too honest."

p. 33 of the Indictment

@moonbus said
I'm not sure I'd say Pence is or was 'too honest', but he did understand where the limit of his authority lies and did what the law required of him on January 6th (which was, in fact, "the right thing" ).

He has, IMO, not been forthright enough since leaving office about whether he thought at the time, or thinks now, that Trump was part of a conspiracy to illegally overturn a legitimate election.

@no1marauder said
This sure seems close to doing so:

"“The American people deserve to know that President Trump and his advisers didn’t just ask me to pause. They asked me to reject votes, return votes, essentially to overturn the election,” Pence told Fox News Wednesday. Had he listened to Trump and “his gaggle of crackpot lawyers,” Pence said, “literally chaos would have ensued.”

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@vivify said
It's because he's running for president and Trump is his primary obstacle. Other than no one caring about him.

@no1marauder said
Most of the other Republicans running against Trump are too terrified of electoral retribution to criticize his election overturning antics at all; several have vowed to pardon him.

Pence might be a fundamentalist fanatic, but his refusal to kowtow to Trump's demands on January 6, 2021 averted a Constitutional crisis; it also destroyed his future in the Republican party as well as putting him in physical danger that day.

He has earned some praise for that.

@no1marauder said
This sure seems close to doing so:

"“The American people deserve to know that President Trump and his advisers didn’t just ask me to pause. They asked me to reject votes, return votes, essentially to overturn the election,” Pence told Fox News Wednesday. Had he listened to Trump and “his gaggle of crackpot lawyers,” Pence said, “literally chaos would have ensued.”

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@moonbus said
But does Pence say his boss asked him to do something illegal? Does Pence say his boss was part of a conspiracy to break the law? Does Pence say Trump was not merely legally expressing his opinion that the result might not be accurate, but that Trump was actively attempting to illegally overturn a result he knew to be accurate? I think Pence is not forthright enough, he’s pus ...[text shortened]... r-base to say what he really thinks. Too honest, maybe, but he’s still covering for his former boss.

@no1marauder said
Most of the other Republicans running against Trump are too terrified of electoral retribution to criticize his election overturning antics at all; several have vowed to pardon him.

Pence might be a fundamentalist fanatic, but his refusal to kowtow to Trump's demands on January 6, 2021 averted a Constitutional crisis; it also destroyed his future in the Republican party as well as putting him in physical danger that day.

He has earned some praise for that.

@mott-the-hoople said
if Trumps actions were unlawful why did congress pass a law after the fact dealing with this?

Pence is a swamper as is Barr. The swamp runs this country be it democrat or republican. Trump is their enemy.

Pence thinks he can fool Trumps followers…those people are not stupid enough to fall for the propaganda like you liberal freaks.