Is Obama Care Dead?

Originally posted by @vivify
First of all, let's not forget that until one post ago, you didn't
know the mandate was a tax. Stop pretending you're even the least bit informed enough to have a valid opinion.

Second: "punishment tax"? People are being punished with healthcare? So since we're forced to pay for medicare, is that also a "punishment tax"?

I did know it was a tax.

Let's not forget that you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by @mchill
I think Obamacare will survive for quite awhile. People are still signing up for Obamacare as we speak, and (please listen Trump Supporters) People favor Obamacare 52% - 27% over the Republican plan that failed by 1 vote in the Senate. Only 11 percent strongly favored the GOP plan.

I don't know what's going on with the 1%, but it seems the general public ...[text shortened]... tps://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/3/15913536/obamacare-popular-republican-health-bill

So you think that Obama was wrong when he claimed the mandate was required for Obama Care to work.

Originally posted by @vivify
First of all, let's not forget that until one post ago, you didn't
know the mandate was a tax. Stop pretending you're even the least bit informed enough to have a valid opinion.

Second: "punishment tax"? People are being punished with healthcare? So since we're forced to pay for medicare, is that also a "punishment tax"?

a penalty is never a tax.

https://aclj.org/obamacare/supreme-court-rewrites-obamacare-allows-huge-tax-increases

Originally posted by @no1marauder
Actually you're worse off if you stop paying the Medicare tax; the IRA can use its whole panoply of remedies to collect that tax, including liens and garnishments, whereas the mandate tax can only be enforced by refund intercept:

For most unpaid taxes, there are a variety of ways that the IRS can recoup their money. But the text of the ACA is very cl ...[text shortened]... ernment-wont-really-be-able-to-enforce-the-penalty-for-not-having-health-insurance-is-this-true/

no they cant...

"The ACA bars the IRS from bringing a criminal enforcement case against someone who refuses to pay the non-insurance penalty. And it makes it very difficult, if not impossible, for it to enforce a tax lien."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/07/03/some-tax-few-will-face-obamacare-uninsured-penalty-and-irs-hamstrung-to-collect/#72d14cc9c1d4

Originally posted by @eladar
I did know it was a tax.

Let's not forget that you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

Nice dodge. I'll ask it again:

Since we're forced to pay for medicare, is that also a "punishment tax"?

Originally posted by @vivify
Nice dodge. I'll ask it again:

Since we're forced to pay for medicare, is that also a "punishment tax"?

you are not forced to pay medicare! many people do not pay any medicare tax,

Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
no they cant...

"The ACA bars the IRS from bringing a criminal enforcement case against someone who refuses to pay the non-insurance penalty. And it makes it very difficult, if not impossible, for it to enforce a tax lien."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/07/03/some-tax-few-will-face-obamacare-uninsured-penalty-and-irs-hamstrung-to-collect/#72d14cc9c1d4

UMM, that's what I just said. You're worse off by not paying your Medicare tax because the IRA can use any and all of its enforcement measures to collect that tax whereas it can only intercept your refund to collect the individual mandate tax.

Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
you are not forced to pay medicare! many people do not pay any medicare tax,

I don't know what right wing blog you get your info from but you are wrong:

all your wages and business earnings are subject to at least a 2.9 percent Medicare tax.

https://www.thebalance.com/medicare-tax-3193121

Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
a penalty is never a tax.

https://aclj.org/obamacare/supreme-court-rewrites-obamacare-allows-huge-tax-increases

Your link clearly says in the second paragraph, the Supreme Court ruled it was a tax.

Thanks for refuting yourself.

Originally posted by @no1marauder
I don't know what right wing blog you get your info from but you are wrong:

all your wages and business earnings are subject to at least a 2.9 percent Medicare tax.

https://www.thebalance.com/medicare-tax-3193121

yep! now what about those that don't work?

Originally posted by @eladar
So you think that Obama was wrong when he claimed the mandate was required for Obama Care to work.

During the campaign, he opposed the individual mandate. Insurance companies badly wanted it, however, and the Dems caved.

Part of the reason it is misleading to call it "Obamacare" is that most of the details of the law were hashed out by Congressional Democrats rather than the administration. Now Obama did sign on to the final product and did have considerable input in the process, but his original proposals are far from what wound up as the ACA.

Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
yep! now what about those that don't work?

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Originally posted by @vivify
Your link clearly says in the second paragraph, the Supreme Court ruled it was a tax.

Thanks for refuting yourself.

When ACA was passed they called the mandate a "penalty" because a tax has to be voted on. Congress is the only way a tax can be levied. Congress never authorized that "tax".

The SCOTUS changed the wording to tax AFTER aca had passed. It is unconstitutional on those grounds alone. Read the entire article...don't just cherry pick...makes you look inferior

BTW...paying subsidies in states that didn't expand Medicare is also illegal.

Originally posted by @no1marauder
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how are they forced to pay medicare tax?

Originally posted by @no1marauder
UMM, that's what I just said. You're worse off by not paying your Medicare tax because the IRA can use any and all of its enforcement measures to collect that tax whereas it can only intercept your refund to collect the individual mandate tax.

Medicare tax payment is not mandatory for all!